Silvercore Podcast 148 Chris Ramsay

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[00:00:00] Travis Bader: I've lost track of the number of times I've sat around a campfire and discussed with others strange things that we've heard, things that we've seen that we just can't explain. Case in point, there's a video I'm playing right now, if you're watching this instead of listening, of Unidentified object flying in the air.

[00:00:31] Travis Bader: This video was taken by a friend, highly reputable, and is going to be referenced later on in the podcast. These odd phenomena may have a simple explanation and it may just elude us at this time. But it drove me to want to investigate a little bit deeper. And this was the advent of today's podcast. We're joined today by a fellow who's dedicated so much time and energy to Helping people understand things that are beyond comprehension.

[00:01:00] Travis Bader: If you haven't already heard of today's guest, I would highly recommend. Check out the links in the bio it's area 52 and with Christmas just around the corner, if you haven't found that certain gift for that special someone, or maybe you're looking for something for yourself, there's links in the bio should be a link up top here somewhere as well.

[00:01:19] Travis Bader: The Silvercore club is specifically designed to help get you outside safely, comfortably, and allow you to deepen your connection with the natural environment. Without further ado, let's get on with the podcast. I'm joined today by a master of mystery and exploration, someone who's captivated millions with his sleight of hand, his deep dives into the world's most intricate puzzles, and now his exploration of the unknown with Area 52.

[00:01:44] Travis Bader: Whether it's unlocking the secrets of a puzzle box, performing impossible feats of magic, or delving into the mysteries of UAPs and consciousness, his work challenges us to see the world. Differently. Welcome to the Silvercore podcast, Chris Ramsey. 

[00:01:59] Chris Ramsay: Thank you so much for that introduction. My goodness. I didn't know you were going that hard in the paint.

[00:02:04] Chris Ramsay: That is a much appreciated. 

[00:02:06] Travis Bader: We've got to start it off. Right. You know, you 

[00:02:08] Chris Ramsay: got a good reading voice too. I mean, your audience knows this already, but yeah, very soothing. 

[00:02:14] Travis Bader: You know, the, the number one comment that I get back regarding my voice is, uh, what is it? Uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson. They say I sound like a white Neil deGrasse Tyson.

[00:02:24] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. Like a Canadian version. I don't wait. Is he Canadian? He's not Canadian. Is he? 

[00:02:28] Travis Bader: I don't know. Um, I honestly don't know. I should look into it, but, uh, yeah, I've heard that one. Yeah. So I've, I've been following you for a while. Um, so when I was a kid, my very first job was performing magic. I, yeah, yeah. I started grade four.

[00:02:45] Travis Bader: I learned how to pick locks in grade four. I love the puzzle of picking locks and getting into things that I really shouldn't be into. And I started doing magic then as well and did that grade four, grade five, grade six. And, Then moved on to mowing lawns and washing cars and delivering papers and all the rest.

[00:03:01] Travis Bader: But, uh, I've always kind of had that little bit of interest into the world of magic and your. That's where you started. You started with that with YouTube, didn't you? 

[00:03:11] Chris Ramsay: Yep. Absolutely. Got into that, uh, I think maybe a dozen years ago now. Um, you know, I've been much like you and I think like a lot of young boys, especially like we're for some reason attracted to being a spy or, you know, a superhero of sorts and, you know, most of the time.

[00:03:30] Chris Ramsay: We outgrow that. Uh, not my case, we're still, we're still, you know, uh, still, still attracted to that in some way, you know, but that's also the reason why we'd like these type of movies and why we like imagining ourselves in these precarious positions. Uh, you know, You know, um, or, or why we have this affinity for these gadgets, you know, like, uh, these little intricate electronics or, or every day carry it.

[00:03:57] Chris Ramsay: I think it all stems back to like our childhood dream of becoming a spy or some, you know, secret government project of human enhancement or something. Like it's, it's what we all really want. You know, and then we settle for life, but like, if somebody came out of the shadows, it was like, Mr. Ramsey. You know, I'm, I'm in the CIA come with us.

[00:04:20] Chris Ramsay: I'd be like, I drop everything. A 

[00:04:21] Travis Bader: hundred percent. I'm on board. Let's go. 

[00:04:23] Chris Ramsay: So that's, I think that's where the love of, you know, magic comes from for me is like being able to sort of in a way be a spy, be, you know, pretend to be something I'm not, uh, and get away with it. And there's something really cool about that and very fun and like exhilarating about it.

[00:04:42] Travis Bader: I heard that when you go traveling, you will do your best to To impersonate the, the language as best as possible, to see if someone calls you out or not. 

[00:04:52] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. I've done it a bunch of times, especially like in England. Uh, in those places. Um, yeah, absolutely. I think it's, you know, it's, it's just like my fun little game that I'm like, well, you know, there are, and, and obviously.

[00:05:04] Chris Ramsay: They believe no matter what you say, no matter how bizarre your accent is, they'll just say, Oh, he was, you know, he was raised in a strange household, I guess. But, you know, it's just like this fun little game, but again, not too far from being a magician. You know, we're pretending to do magic is what we're doing.

[00:05:20] Chris Ramsay: Uh, so I think, uh, the same time, the truer I am to that fiction, the more immersive the experience is for the audience. Uh, if I don't commit fully to, you know, such a. Uh, a persona that will be sensed by the audience and therefore the magic won't play as well. And so I think, you know, it's, it's a magician's job to, again, we're not lying if we're true to our fiction.

[00:05:52] Chris Ramsay: So we're both aware that magic isn't real. So let's get that out of the way. Now I'm going to pretend to be a magician instead of actually convincing you that I have magic powers, right? Which is a no, no. So it's, there's this like balancing act, but it does come down to, I think, um, a bit of a perf, uh, like it's a performance art and you have to fully commit with these things.

[00:06:12] Travis Bader: See, that was my, from an outsider's perspective looking in, I wouldn't have put two and two together about being the James Bond sleuth spy. Uh, but I see it now when I look at your work and I see, I definitely see that. Uh, but the thing that jumps out to me is that you're an artist first and foremost.

[00:06:30] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, there's a, there's definitely, there's definitely like, yeah, I mean, I think I, I'm just someone who selfishly needs to create. Um, you know, and that's always, always, always, always been a, you know, a problem and a gift or like whatever it is, it's, it's been, but it's been a reality for me. And I think for a lot of creatives out there, you probably yourself included, um, there's just that unrelenting, unrelenting, Uh, need to create, to, to, to express yourself selfishly, uh, in a weird way, you know what I mean?

[00:07:07] Chris Ramsay: And that's why like, I have a hard time accepting, you know, some forms of compliments when it comes to my stuff. Cause some people are like, Oh, you know, you helped me out during a rough time or, you know, I turned to your videos during COVID or whatever it was. Right. And. For myself, I'm like, cool. And I appreciate that and truly am like appreciative of that type of energy.

[00:07:27] Chris Ramsay: But at the same time, I have a hard time accepting a compliment like that. Cause like for me, the main goal wasn't to inspire you. The main goal was to share what I'm passionate about. In a selfish, creative way, because that's all I want to do. The side effect is helping people out, which I love. I love that that's the side effect.

[00:07:47] Chris Ramsay: But I will never say, like, that's why I do it, for people like you. Like, I, I just don't, I'm, I'm selfish. I, I do it because I feel a creative need. I have to get it out, you know? And that's just the way it is. 

[00:07:59] Travis Bader: Are you emotionally invested in the things that you create to the point where if it doesn't hit the way that you figure it should, that, uh, that starts changing how you'll create the next one or.

[00:08:12] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, yes, yes. And no, like there is a line that you have to separate yourself from, I think, from your content. Uh, you know, your content as much as it is an extension of who you are and your expression. You also have to remember that, you know, I'm doing it for me. I'm literally doing this for me. I'm doing this because I enjoy it because it brings me joy.

[00:08:32] Chris Ramsay: Yes. Okay. You know, uh, success will come from it or, you know, all these other cool things. But like, the main thing is, is like, I have to really enjoy this. And so I think once you have that, it becomes a lot easier to accept criticism because you're like, sometimes, you know, and sometimes I'm like, when a lot of people say things, I'm like, okay, I guess I didn't see it like that.

[00:08:52] Chris Ramsay: And, you know, okay, maybe it was something to think about. But most of the times I'm just delusional and I'll just be like, just wait. You don't understand the full vision yet. That's why you're, you're saying this, you know? So I do have that side of me as well. But, um, yeah, I think as I grow older, I try not to put as much value on the.

[00:09:14] Chris Ramsay: Comments of others when it comes to my own art, I just think that the more you do that, the more you stray from your own path. And that can be positive criticism as well. You know, it's not just simply all the negative stuff, but sometimes, you know, when people are like, do this again, or keep doing this, that will also shape your path.

[00:09:36] Chris Ramsay: And I, you know, for me, it's very important that I follow that initial vision that I had, which got me here in the first place. Um, because I, I have found myself. Being detracted and, you know, onto listening to what people want. And then eventually all I'm doing is like feeding this monster. Totally. Uh, so, you know, it's, it's important to really just, you know, make yourself happy in the process.

[00:09:58] Travis Bader: So when you say that success will follow, you go out, you follow your passion, success will follow. And I believe that. And I've always said that. I mean, if you chase money, You're always going to be chasing money. You're always going to be behind it. If you chase fame, you're always going to be behind it.

[00:10:11] Travis Bader: It's just like, I want to be happy. Well, you're presupposing you aren't and you're chasing something. Um, what is success look like to you? You know, 

[00:10:21] Chris Ramsay: um, I don't, I don't think there's a goal, you know, I don't think there's an end goal. In that sense, I never really had an end goal. Um, I, you know, the cliche thing would be to like, the journey is the destination type deal.

[00:10:35] Chris Ramsay: Like that's, that's the, that's the whole point of this. And you know, there's, there's a lot, there's a lot to think about, especially in recent years when, you know, I've gained, uh, a certain type of, Uh, success due to the work that I did, uh, monetarily, but also like, you know, I'll travel, I'll get like the cool experiences and all these other things.

[00:11:00] Chris Ramsay: And at the end of the day, you're still wanting, right? You're still wanting. So it's like, what are, what am I wanting then? Like, what is there to attain? Like in, I guess there's more, I guess there's more, but at the end of the day, you really have to be sort of happy with the little things. And, you know, like, like you said, You can chase that money, but, you know, for me, I have a lot of fun just doing what it is I do.

[00:11:30] Chris Ramsay: And then when I, when I'm in it, I'm enjoying it. I'm I'm in that. And for me, that's the whole point. Um, because other than that, I'm just going to keep chasing the next thing. And I'm, I'm kind of sick of it. I'm kind of, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm sick of that being, being in that hamster wheel. And just, I just want to make cool shit.

[00:11:51] Chris Ramsay: That's basically 

[00:11:51] Travis Bader: it. All right. I can see that, you know, it was, uh, famously Rockefeller was quoted, uh, reporter says, man, you got so much money. How much more do you need? And he says, 1 more. Yeah. Right. It's stuck in that. What, just one more, just one more. Yeah. And you can bury him with all that 

[00:12:09] Chris Ramsay: money too, at the end of the day, you know, that's it.

[00:12:11] Chris Ramsay: What do you got? Yeah. There's that, there's that old joke where like this, the widow, you know, she was like, uh, the husband was like greedy and he's like, I want you to bury me with all my money. Yeah. And so she signed a check in his coffin and was like, you can cash it whenever you want. 

[00:12:28] Travis Bader: Yeah. Yeah. It's about as worthless as that is.

[00:12:31] Travis Bader: Yeah. Money has always been an interesting thing for me, you know, growing up, didn't have much and, uh, always. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, I, um, it's, I I've never placed much value in it. I, the more I build, the more I have, it's like that fight club thing, what you own owns you, right? The more things that you, um, acquire and I've, you know, growing up, I was always a bit of a hoarder.

[00:12:57] Travis Bader: Cause like I got something, I worked so hard to get it and I got to hold onto this thing and I can't let it go. And, um, it was funny recently. I was actually a couple of days ago cleaning out some old books. I came up with a few here. Uh, From when I was performing magic secrets, Houdini. Um, Magic with cards.

[00:13:16] Travis Bader: I don't know if you've seen any of these ones. Um, Mark Wilson's complete course in magic. Have you seen these ones before? I've not, no, these are new to me. Magic digest. This was, this was, these were my Bibles when I was a kid. 101 amazing magic tricks. Wow. This is great. But here's one that, uh, you might actually know.

[00:13:36] Travis Bader: Um, it's called, um, Magic is dead. There you go, my buddy, Ian. Yeah. Tell me about that one. That's kind of a neat one. 

[00:13:44] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, that's a fun, uh, this is a fun period of my life where, um, you know, everything was, it was at the height of like the magic stuff, not only for myself, but I think for magic, uh, in general online, well, niches in general, I think about.

[00:13:59] Chris Ramsay: 2017, 2016 to 2019 was a bit of a, um, I would say just for every single niche was everything was blown up. Everything, you could look at every niche and it was just, you know, whether it was kendama or whether it was any other skill based hobby or anything at all, the niches were just growing and magic was really gaining a lot of popularity.

[00:14:28] Chris Ramsay: And during that time. Uh, I'd go to this convention in Blackpool, England, a real shithole of a place. And sorry, shout out to people who live in Blackpool, but you know what I mean. It's like, it's like if Chernobyl and Vegas had a baby. It's really bizarre and depressing. Um, a lot of crime, just gross.

[00:14:46] Chris Ramsay: Anyways, um, sorry to all the black people. You know what I'm saying though, right? As a tourist, like you understand. So anyways, there's this convention there that, that houses about 4, 000 magicians. The biggest magic convention in the world is held in this beautiful hall in Blackpool, um, and the winter gardens.

[00:15:04] Chris Ramsay: It's just absolutely beautiful. And I had a friend, well, who's now a friend, but a person reached out to me, Ian Fresh, who is a journalist. And he was writing a story. I pitched him on this, but basically, a story for Wired magazine, Um, about this secret organization within magic, this sort of, I guess, brotherhood or fraternity of, uh, magicians, uh, known as the 52.

[00:15:33] Chris Ramsay: And, um, it was something I was a part of along with a bunch of other magicians. And we wouldn't really share, you know, anything about it. And he thought, man, this is a really cool story. This is like, you know, underground magic stuff. And I was like, yeah. And I'm like, this stuff is cool. Like if you're coming in from the outside, look, going to a magic convention, you're probably like, what is that even?

[00:15:53] Chris Ramsay: Right. So, um, you know, but it's just like any other conventions, people selling things, buying things and, you know, trading information and just, you know, Being really passionate about, you know, what it is they love and sharing that. So I bring him along and he starts writing this story and we did some really amazing things to this guy.

[00:16:13] Chris Ramsay: Uh, by the end of which, like we said, we're going to turn this guy into a magician. Like we felt it, he got the bug and sure enough, he did start practicing after that. And, um, yeah, we did things to him that like, I mean, I ended up paying for a A bar tab with napkins, uh, which like kind of blew his mind. Um, and we got into, yeah, we got into another, we got into a club, um, which had like a massive lineup on the outside.

[00:16:39] Chris Ramsay: And I got 20 magicians in all dudes, like no curls in front of that line by doing magic. And then like, I remember at one point, it was such a cool like culmination of everything, but the, uh, we had a photographer with us who had this, you know, big camera with a flashbulb and whatever. And, uh, we get into the club, it's jam packed.

[00:17:01] Chris Ramsay: There's like a dance floor. Then there's the bar. There's the VIP section, which was like roped off and wasn't really open. And I was like, all right, camera guy, follow me. I want you to follow me through the dance floor and just like snap pictures of me with a flash on and he's like, he's like, all right, but he's like, my card's full right now.

[00:17:18] Chris Ramsay: I was like, don't, don't matter. Just doesn't even have to be pictures and I'll put my hood on. You just follow me down through. So we did this, everybody. Dance floor turning around and be like, what the hell's going on here? And you see a guy trying to hide his face, get through, we get to the bar. We're like, we got to open that VIP section immediately.

[00:17:34] Chris Ramsay: They're like, no problem, sir. They opened the VIP set, they give us bottle service, you know? And so it was all these like really cool events. He was documenting this the whole time. And he's like, dude, I think there's a book here. And then he, uh, you know, he, he, he made, um, magic is dead, which is the catchphrase of a buddy of mine, Daniel Madison, and, um, a magician as well.

[00:17:58] Chris Ramsay: And he wrote that book about his experience and journey into the 52, where he eventually ended up becoming a member. 

[00:18:06] Travis Bader: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. The, uh, the proper application of subterfuge to, uh, to get yourself into a, a nightclub that's, um. 

[00:18:16] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. We use that stuff all the time and that's what's really cool about hanging around magicians is like you finally.

[00:18:23] Chris Ramsay: Get to see, um, the cool side of magic rather than the hokey, you know, hokeyness of it. Yeah. 

[00:18:30] Travis Bader: Well, like the, I like the context of it all. And then of course, magic isn't dead, but it's just what magic was, is dead compared to what magic is now. And I think it's making a, uh, Uh, it is pushing people's boundaries while knowing we're gonna push your boundaries.

[00:18:46] Travis Bader: Yeah. We're, we're gonna fool you. It isn't actually a black art, but, um, yeah. And you're using social media to be able to, to push that forward. Exactly, yeah. In a way that people haven't in the past. Mm-hmm . You've been vocal on, uh, social media, even vocal on YouTube about some of the, uh, the struggles of, uh, um, of being a creator and then getting locked into these algorithms.

[00:19:10] Travis Bader: Mm-hmm . What works one day doesn't work the next. And, uh, how engagement, uh, you can hit all over, but the actual engagement is, is, uh, not where it should be. Uh, I thought that was kind of an interesting, um, a couple of talks that I've seen you give on that, uh, what, what spurred that and what are your thoughts on that now?

[00:19:34] Chris Ramsay: Um, I mean, what spurred it, I think is, is this again, there was, there was the height of. You know, these niches where everybody thrived. And this isn't me blaming anything. I'm just kind of like, uh, this is my observation recently of, of, you know, what the environment was. And so there was this where everybody thrived and then all of a sudden like, um, short form content became, uh, particularly popular, namely TikTok.

[00:20:07] Chris Ramsay: Right. And all of a sudden we see that TikTok became the niche. Right. So it was far easier for this 12 year old kid to make TikTok his niche hobby than learning car tricks, spending five years becoming good at something. Right. So he could instantly gain so much praise, you know, from one video, just.

[00:20:43] Chris Ramsay: Popping on the algorithm and, and that was enough to make him addicted to that feeling of uploading and getting that positive feedback versus having to put the work in and earn that positive feedback, right? Which is every skill based niche, really, because you could, you know, you could upload your videos prior to that for years and no one would bat an eye until you did something original or worthwhile.

[00:21:13] Chris Ramsay: But the way the algorithm, you know, is made, it's made to. Every now and then, give you a little nugget. Shoot you off into the, so that you're addicted to this, you know, feeling of, uh, validation, external validation. Yeah, exactly. They give you a free crack rock and you're like, Ooh, you know, feeling good.

[00:21:32] Chris Ramsay: Kind of, kind of what it is, you know, you'll be back for more. And, um, and so, yeah, it was just easier for, I think a lot of people to make TikTok Their hobby. And that stole from everyone that stole from everyone. And I'm not bitter about it. I'm like, that's the way that people want to be. That's cool. But it did, it did end up taking, you know, away attention from.

[00:21:59] Chris Ramsay: You know, yo yoing from, you know, uh, painting vehicles from everything, because it's much easier now to just make a video talking about the basics of it and get a million views or to react to something that somebody else did. And rather than putting the work in, you're going to get way more praise that way.

[00:22:21] Chris Ramsay: It's much easier to be popular that way. Uh, so, you know, naturally that sucked away from, from all the niches. Thus, we start seeing the You know, um, the effect of that on YouTube, obviously in long form content, um, myself and other creators have seen it. And, you know, so that was my way of sort of vocalizing to keep up with that, with this demand, this incredible.

[00:22:51] Chris Ramsay: Intake and output of content, uh, this churning of content, really this feeding the monster, um, you know, that, that was really, really difficult and it started taking a toll, um, because you want to keep that level of production. You want to keep that, keep up that level of interest in the sort of zeitgeist in the, in the, you know, in that area.

[00:23:13] Chris Ramsay: And so to, to do, to do that, you're having to produce better content. More regularly, which eventually just becomes extremely exhausting, you know? And so you hire people around you to help you do that. But then at the end of the day, now you're just, your overhead's crazy. You're, you're having to pump out multiple videos that are.

[00:23:37] Chris Ramsay: You know, original enough to gain some type of traction on the algorithm, uh, weekly. And, you know, you're having to do this over and over and over. Eventually your creativity starts to wean, you start losing interest yourself because there's really nothing in it for you other than just making this work.

[00:23:59] Chris Ramsay: And now I'm having to provide for other people's families because I'm locked into this. And so now I have a small business that I have to run with employees. And, um, and you know, so first of all, my heart goes out to anyone who's got a business out there, small business owners. It's tough to have that type of responsibility to, to have, you know, To take care of other people's families and they're counting on you.

[00:24:22] Chris Ramsay: You know what I mean? So there's that, that pressure as well. Um, and on top of that, you yourself are the product, right? Which is a very strange, strange thing that I have to put out there. I constantly have to market myself. You know, if I put a hat up on Instagram, it'll sell a lot less than if I take a picture of me wearing the hat, right?

[00:24:44] Chris Ramsay: So there's, there's this constant. Uh, need, even if you don't feel like it to put yourself in front of a camera. And I can understand someone not wanting to do that all the time, right? We don't always feel like we're at our best or, you know, sometimes we just feel off or we feel like, you know, maybe I just don't want to be in front of a camera or say how I feel today.

[00:25:08] Chris Ramsay: And so then you're having to put a face on and you're having to, and it just, it accumulates. And I did, I've been doing this for 10 years and, you know, so thousands of videos are being pumped out. Where I have to be this forward facing positive energy that talks about things that don't matter. Mmm. Right?

[00:25:28] Chris Ramsay: And, and pretend they matter to me when they're mattering less and less, in fact. 

[00:25:35] Travis Bader: Interesting. 

[00:25:36] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. And so you get to, you get to a, uh, a critical mass. You get to a point where you're just like, Hey, I, I really have to step back for my own mental health. And you know, that has just been my experience. I know that other people have different experiences with social media, and I do know that a lot of people suffer in different ways from the offset of, you know.

[00:25:58] Chris Ramsay: social media, whether it's, you know, online bullying or like, whatever it is, there's, there's all, there's a plethora of problems that this causes in society. And so that was my way of just sort of addressing that and making people realize that. Even people who post things like myself are, are not immune to, you know, feeling that way and it, I, and, and also being aware that I know me saying this surrounded by, you know, all this money, you know, or like things like it look, it sounds like I'm hypocritical and I understand the way that that looks, but I still, you know, in spite of that, want to, um, still express my.

[00:26:43] Chris Ramsay: You know, uh, mental state in regards to all this because it's, uh, it's, it's tough in its own way and everybody struggles in their own way, you know, and sort of, it was just that, that's it. It was just like my honest take on this and now, um, I still feel the same way, but I've learned to do something and, you know, Completely shift my content into something else that I'm passionate about.

[00:27:10] Chris Ramsay: And it sort of reinvigorated my love for cinema, reinvigorated my love for storytelling. Um, and I'm really, really psyched on it and I spend, you know, a lot of time and I really feel like this is the genesis of something great. And I feel the way I felt at the beginning of creating content again. Well, 

[00:27:29] Travis Bader: that's cool.

[00:27:30] Chris Ramsay: It's cool. But I'm also cognizant that maybe this isn't the solution to these symptoms, you know, maybe, maybe the right play isn't to just start over, but it feels good, you know? Yeah. 

[00:27:43] Travis Bader: Yeah. It's when you, when you have something that you're passionate about and you turn that into a business, then you have to chase those aspects of that business because they need attention that you might not be quite as passionate about.

[00:27:57] Travis Bader: And unfortunately, as it grows, like you say, you get that overhead, you get other people working with you. How many people are on your team right now? 

[00:28:03] Chris Ramsay: So we used to be, uh, I think seven total. And now we're down to like three. I had to, I had to lay people off, but you know, I did it in a way. I was actually really proud of this.

[00:28:14] Chris Ramsay: And while it wasn't, it was just something I had to do, but, um, I had kept Uh, some money aside for that event so that it wouldn't come to a point where I just laid everybody off and everybody would be kind of like screwed. Uh, so everybody left with, you know, a healthy, uh, severance and, uh, it was, it was on good terms.

[00:28:36] Chris Ramsay: Um, and I still contract those people today. So it's like, technically they're actually making more money than they ever have because they got the severance plus the contract. Right. Um, but that was the idea for me. It was very important to really take care of those around me first and foremost. And I did want to be in a position where I couldn't do that anymore.

[00:28:55] Chris Ramsay: So before it got to that point, I wanted to have that difficult talk, you know, and get that, uh, get that done. Yeah. 

[00:29:02] Travis Bader: I think that speaks volumes to your character and you know, it also speaks to something that I've, I believe firmly in, in that business is personal people like, oh, it's just business. It's not personal.

[00:29:12] Travis Bader: Well, no, it's business. Built off of relationships, those relationships take time to establish. It takes trust. I, I think if you're going to have a long term business, something that's going to stand the test of time. Yeah. Business is personal. Um, and you know, the, the values that you've displayed and things like that will obviously heed you well, as you move into the future.

[00:29:36] Travis Bader: Um, I remember at one point you put out, and this is going back a little bit, but you put out a trick that, uh, uh, you put time, money, energy in, got ready to sell it and had to pull it from the shelves because people said, that's too close to my trick. And you could have taken any number of routes on that one.

[00:29:55] Travis Bader: And. Do you want to talk about that one? 

[00:29:58] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's nothing really much to add to that, but yeah, I, I, I did disagree a little bit with how close it was, I think, to the other product. But I think if someone feels, you know, it's, I just don't want to deal with, uh, the fallout. Um, I'd rather, again, it's like, what's worth more to me, you know, some money Or a relationship, you know, and, and it's just an 

[00:30:27] Travis Bader: easy call.

[00:30:29] Travis Bader: I get it. Um, yeah, I guess one last little thing on the magic side, I'll chat about, and then segues into something else and then get into the meat and potatoes of what I really want to talk about here. But, uh, you know, as, as a kid, uh, grade four, five, six, I'd perform magic for other kids, birthday parties, kids who are like grade two, grade three, around there.

[00:30:49] Travis Bader: And, um, I found that, uh, Between that and the chemistry, because I thought chemistry was pretty cool. If I can make ink disappearing ink with phenolphthalein solution, or if I can make things blow up with stuff I find underneath my kitchen sink, I mean, I was pretty jazzed, right? So between those, those couple of, uh, passions.

[00:31:08] Chris Ramsay: Spice shit. Totally. Yeah. 

[00:31:11] Travis Bader: Yeah. And I mean, like my father used to bring back, uh, briefcases. He was working for a coordinated law enforcement unit. They call it clue at the time and, uh, doing all the sneaky peeky stuff. I'm like, it's a phone and it fits in the briefcase. Are you kidding me? This thing's cool.

[00:31:27] Travis Bader: And, uh, But, um, or, or the night vision or the, or the different things, but I would advertise in the local paper, uh, one time the school says, um, I went to about seven, I think six, seven, eight different schools. Uh, I think you went to a number as well, which is kind of where this is the segue to, but one of them was a private school.

[00:31:53] Travis Bader: It's supposed to help kids who are pretty hyper off the walls, troublesome, getting everything but schooling. And as a sales pitch, they had a bunch of parents coming in and they were going to show the best of the best and showcase the kids playing the violin and doing their talents. I'm like, this is perfect.

[00:32:11] Travis Bader: I could totally network with all these other adults who have kids, and this will be a perfect market for my, my magic act and school wouldn't let me perform. And so I fought and I pushed it. And finally they said, Okay. Tell you what, I don't know if we can trust you up here in front of all the parents about doing something weird, but, um, we'll put, if you agree to having an assistant, have the grade D three teachers stand beside you as you do your magic act.

[00:32:36] Travis Bader: Then we'll let you go up there and do it. All right. Fair enough. And this grade three teacher, she, uh, in my young mind thought she didn't like me and was out to sabotage me and sure enough, each and every trick that a young magician can do for an audience won't look the same for the person standing right beside you or behind you.

[00:32:54] Travis Bader: And she ruined each one of my tricks and I'd never, I've been known as a guy to swear or to use foul language, but that changed in front of all of those prospective parents that day. Uh huh. Yeah. But. 

[00:33:07] Chris Ramsay: Rough. 

[00:33:08] Travis Bader: Rough. Yeah, but I guess, 

[00:33:10] Chris Ramsay: uh, deter you from pursuing magic 

[00:33:13] Travis Bader: that didn't. I had a, uh, a couple of acts that I wasn't proud of when I went through, cause I just didn't practice enough ahead of time.

[00:33:22] Travis Bader: It was like disappearing water. I did some, the card tricks with the kids didn't go super great unless they're super visual. So I guess the Bengali deck or whatever, just something that's just. Uh, right out there. And I just, uh, I got involved with, uh, army cadets and that took most of my time afterwards and then, and, uh, uh, I guess just moved in a bit different direction, but you know, um, that's a roundabout way of talking about, uh, moving between different schools and some difficulties I had.

[00:33:54] Travis Bader: And I understand, I think you beat me. I think you're what, 12 schools that you went to? 

[00:33:57] Chris Ramsay: Something like that. Yeah. 

[00:33:58] Travis Bader: Yeah, what, no, I didn't move around. It wasn't by my choice that I was moving between schools. Yeah, 

[00:34:04] Chris Ramsay: it wasn't my choice either. Okay. Okay. Well, except one of them, one of them was for basketball.

[00:34:10] Chris Ramsay: Um, but other than that, uh, yeah, my, my dad's in the military. So, you know, we moved around quite a bit. Uh, born in Germany, moved back and forth in Canada. I don't know, half a dozen times. I don't even know. I'd have to like, I have to actively like go back in my memory and like count, but it's like, it's a lot.

[00:34:28] Chris Ramsay: And then, you know, throughout Canada as well, moved in, uh, several military bases and just always lived on, I was a base brat, always lived on the military bases, um, my whole life. Um, so, you know, there was a sense of, you know, and again, this, you know, potentially relates to my, Love for wanting to be a spy, I think, uh, because as you're forced to develop new relationships in, you know, new settings as a child, you're forced to adapt rather rapidly.

[00:35:03] Chris Ramsay: Or be consumed by, you know, whatever you don't adapt to. And, you know, that lesson was brought upon me very, very swiftly as a child. Like, uh, you know, this is prior to social media. So, you know, I didn't know this was the last time I'd see my friend. And you know what I mean? Like there was no way.

[00:35:24] Chris Ramsay: connecting to that friend, you know, other than like maybe taking his number calling, but just you're a kid. You don't think about this. And so, you know, having to be forced to restart all the time, uh, I think it was around grade six or seven. I was bullied in, I think it was grade seven, uh, pretty severely, pretty like it was like terrorizing, um, and which, which really confused me.

[00:35:51] Chris Ramsay: Because prior to that, I was never, I was never bullied. I was never a bully and I was never in this situation, but this was a bigger school than I was used to. Uh, usually I'd go to like, uh, the schools on the, on the bases, which had, you know, familiar faces and sometimes, but it was always small classes.

[00:36:08] Chris Ramsay: And, um, you know, everybody's parents are overseas or doing things, you just like find common ground. But this was like a public school. Well, they were both public, but this was like outside of the, outside of the base. And, um, I was really miserable and I remember begging my parents to switch schools, uh, because of that.

[00:36:28] Chris Ramsay: So they did end up changing schools. And then when I got into the new school, um, right off the bat, there was like two girls that had a crush on me because I was like the new kid, you know, coming 

[00:36:39] Travis Bader: in, the cool 

[00:36:40] Chris Ramsay: kid. And all of a sudden, People wanted to be my friend. I was like, this is so strange. I'm not behaving more like, I'm not behaving in a manner that, that would make me different from, you know, the person I was last week and yet people's opinions of me are so different.

[00:36:59] Chris Ramsay: And it was just some, something that really struck me as, uh, paradigm shifting in that, you know, these social relationships that I'm having are completely different, even though. I didn't do anything differently. So I, you know, I learned a lot of really important lessons as a child and it forced me to socially develop, I think, a lot, a lot quicker than, than most kids because of that.

[00:37:27] Chris Ramsay: And it allowed me to become a sort of chameleon in a way, um, in order to fit in faster, develop rapport with people quicker, um, realize, you know, when someone's behaving a certain way and what that signifies, um, you know, psychologically, I think, you know, being amidst all these different situations, I can, I could pretty much make out a character archetype, you know, from, from some type of person now and, and, and relate that to a past experience that I've had because I'm not with the same group of people throughout my whole life.

[00:38:07] Chris Ramsay: So I'm quickly People are filling slots pretty quickly, and I get to, I get to adapt to that, I get to recognize that, and I think all of that eventually played into my advantage on a social media level, being able to, uh, convey, perhaps, these social ideas in a more concise way to the masses. Uh, and, and two, um, As a magician, being able to adapt to, uh, uncontrollable conditions, uh, more rapidly.

[00:38:40] Chris Ramsay: Um, and so this all really played to my advantage in, in, in where life took me. And so, you know, in hindsight, I'm very grateful, uh, for all the lessons that I've learned throughout this, but as a child, you know, I was, I was very spiteful for, for, you know, you're being uprooted every year, twice a year, uh, to a new location, your life's ruined, you know what I mean?

[00:39:03] Chris Ramsay: As a kid, you're like this ruined, you're ruining my life. It's, you know, and parents don't think about that. Parents are like, nah, what do you mean? We're just moving? Like, and you're like your friends. Yeah. As a kid, you're like, my life's over, you know, over and over and over. So, you know, you, you start to, you start to look at people who've had childhood friends and you start to be envious of them coming into a new school.

[00:39:26] Chris Ramsay: You know, seeing how, how closely people, uh, are and, uh, how, how close they are and how, you know, um. How much they're connected and, and it's just like, I never had that. Right. So I was always very envious of that, but on the other side, I would gain such knowledge, such profound insight, um, that I can't be mad at it either.

[00:39:49] Chris Ramsay: And now obviously, you know, it's, it's a lot different cause I choose where to live, but, um, but I'm still plagued with the need to change. And I think that's where that stemmed from. Uh, you know, uh, that, that, that will, or that sort of need to start over. 

[00:40:06] Travis Bader: Mm hmm. 

[00:40:07] Chris Ramsay: Um, I think that's where that comes from and, you know, that, that could be me starting a new channel, you know, again, that could just be related to my childhood of wanting to sort of restart, have something fresh, have something new and that need for that, that sort of wanderlust, um, for locations or for experiences.

[00:40:25] Chris Ramsay: Um, so I'm cognizant of that. I'm aware of that. Uh, and yet, you know, it's, it's hard to fight the damage that nature or nurturing has caused me. Uh, but being aware of it, I think helps me navigate it a bit more. 

[00:40:40] Travis Bader: Yeah, well, that was, you know, it's a prime example of changing your location to change your, to change your life, right?

[00:40:47] Travis Bader: Change the environment, change your external factors. And, you know, I think a lot of people are drawn to this idea of grass being greener on the other side of the fence. Fence and, uh, well, I'm not happy here now, but man, over there, that that's going to be great. And they get over there and they realize it's pretty cool.

[00:41:03] Travis Bader: But after a while, it's kind of the same thing again. Um, what you're, what I, what I see as an outsider looking in is that you are a consummate creator, that you're an artist and much like me, I, it seems like you drive most of your enjoyment out of the process of creating, of building new things, sustaining certain things, Uh, is, has its own challenges and can have its own fun, but the actual creating of something new and exciting is, uh, um, maybe, maybe the thing that, uh, that you chase.

[00:41:39] Travis Bader: Um, I can feel it. 

[00:41:41] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I would agree with that. And you know, I've, I've accepted that as part of my nature. Uh, rather than, you know, try and deny myself of that. I think that that is just innately part of who I am. I am someone who craves new experiences. Um, you know, and I balance that with other things in my life, but I, I try to.

[00:42:02] Chris Ramsay: Not shy away from that a lot of times. I try to lean into it. It's just who I am, creatively. I need to be constantly, um, you know, stimulating that, that side of my brain, I guess. And, and, uh, or my soul, or whatever you want to call it. There's like a part of me that, that craves that. And I, I don't ignore that anymore.

[00:42:23] Chris Ramsay: And I, I own up to it and I'm aware of, you know, the, uh, the sort of onslaught that that causes others, but, um, it, it is part of my nature. I'm just, uh, it's stronger than me. And, and if I don't adhere to that, then I find myself being more and more depressed. Uh, you know, so I, I, as much as I'm not, I do, I have learned lessons that like, okay, shiny isn't necessarily better, but, uh, Um, but listening, I think, to the little voice inside me that craves, um, this, it's, I think, I think it all comes down to learning something new for me is what I've bottled it down to.

[00:43:07] Chris Ramsay: It's, it's, it's not so much, um, Doing something that's exhilarating or different. It's, it's the ability to, uh, gather new information and, and really that inspires me to want to, to want to do more, to learn more, to in the creative process. And like, I think learning every time in my past where. And this speaks to a little bit what you were saying when maintaining something.

[00:43:33] Chris Ramsay: See, when you're maintaining something, you're not necessarily learning anymore. You've learned all the risks and now you're just kind of like, you know, you're, you're kind of oiling the gears, but it's that learning process. I think that, that I'm really addicted to and that's something I've leaned into.

[00:43:48] Chris Ramsay: So I'm always. Even on the side, like, you know, even this stuff, the Area 52 stuff that I'm into now, like people think like, well, this is left field and it isn't for me. Not at all. It's, it's, it's, it's part of a whole plethora of other things that I'm interested in that I'm learning on the side off of the magic and puzzle, you know, stuff.

[00:44:08] Chris Ramsay: And whether that's, I'm, I'm currently, you know, learning another language as well. I'm like, there's all sorts of things that I'm, I'm really excited about. And I'm excited about just soaking up more information, speaking to interesting people, you know, gathering that. But the second I'm comfortable and the second I'm saturated and, and just like oil, oiling up the machine is the second I start getting sad.

[00:44:32] Chris Ramsay: I think as a second, my being is like, we're so used to consuming new, you know, information, I yearn for that. Now 

[00:44:41] Travis Bader: I can relate to that a hundred percent. I can relate to that. It's, um, it's You know, and, and I'm torn. I, I think it's good that you're just leaning into it, that you're, uh, accepting it as something that, uh, that, uh, drives you.

[00:44:55] Travis Bader: It's, um, I don't know, I guess it could be looked at in a couple of ways. Like one, you're, you're constantly feeding yourself, you're feeding your soul, you're feeding your mind, you're growing, you're, um, or I guess another way to look at it is, is it a distraction? Is it something that's consuming yourself?

[00:45:11] Travis Bader: It's now distracting you from just being content in the moment. Um. I don't know. 

[00:45:18] Chris Ramsay: That's a good question. Um, but I do, I do find time for that as well. Like I think that's the, therein lies the balance for me is, uh, you know, post Monroe, uh, you know, I had this whole experience in the last year, which really, uh, shifted a whole thing, you know, within my, with my core.

[00:45:38] Chris Ramsay: And uh, I started meditating regularly. Um, and that's really changed everything for me. It's been a pressure valve that I get to release. Every day and it forces me to be present, enjoy the present, um, and be grateful and thankful for, for what's happening and enjoy the little things. Um, they are two forces of opposite spectrums, sort of this, uh, this need and want for other external information, everything else.

[00:46:13] Chris Ramsay: And then there's like being happy with very little being, you know, and, and, and so I do, uh, Always try to find that balance between the two and remind myself when I'm over here, remind myself that this exists. And I think meditation allows me to do that on a regular basis. And, uh, it's, it's been nice. It's, it's really brought me perspective.

[00:46:35] Chris Ramsay: I think that I needed, which is like, if all this goes to hell. I'll be all right, you know, everybody's, everybody's going to be fine and everything's going to be okay. And it's just, you know, that's not the type of thing that you, um, that you really believe when you're caught up with, you know, all this content creation or this business aspect of things or the material 3d world stuff, you know, it's the total opposite.

[00:47:04] Chris Ramsay: You're like, no, if this goes away, who am I? And uh, I'm very happy to say that, yeah, I'll be just fine if it goes away. Okay. 

[00:47:12] Travis Bader: I love that. Well, I want to delve more into the meditation and ask about that, but I think it would be more chronological if I, uh, introduce the listeners to area 52, which, um, from my perspective, seems like a take on area 51, but also combining the 52 from the book that we were looking about there before.

[00:47:34] Travis Bader: You got it. There you go. Um, and it is, um, uh, It's amazing. It's really cool what you're doing. I don't think there's too many people out there that haven't asked themselves a question. Is there more to this? Uh, are we alone out there? Um, uh, what, what's this all about? And essentially what you're doing is you are trying to work on a puzzle box that you'll probably never be able to unlock or open, but the endeavor seems intriguing.

[00:48:05] Travis Bader: Do you want to, do you want to, uh, do you Tell the audience about what Area 52 is about. 

[00:48:09] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's multiple things. Two things, uh, in particular, one is my creative outlet. Um, you know, my sustaining that cinematic creative storytelling side of me that I do enjoy. And if you've tuned into some of the puzzle videos I've had, those intros at the beginning, which.

[00:48:29] Chris Ramsay: Much to my deficit, I would create the, you know, I'd see a drop off on these things. People, they want to get right into the meat of it. Right. But not really. I'm like, yeah. And, and, you know, a lot of creatives out there love those intros. Totally. 90 percent of the audience can do without them. And you can see that in the, in the, you know, where people skip ahead to, but I don't care.

[00:48:49] Chris Ramsay: I always did that for me. That was the only reason I kept doing those puzzle videos is so that I can sustain that. Uh, I do enjoy a puzzle, but you know, being forced to solve something on camera isn't, isn't the most relaxing, um, you know, you, you solve a puzzle, you take days to do it, weeks to do it.

[00:49:04] Chris Ramsay: That's the way to properly solve a puzzle. So, you know, that was my way of doing that. And. So with Area 52, I get to have this storytelling side. Uh, I get to flourish, uh, therein. 

[00:49:18] Travis Bader: Mm hmm. 

[00:49:19] Chris Ramsay: And secondly, I get to answer questions that I have about why I'm here, what I'm doing here, what life is, or what the universe is, or who's out there, or all these things.

[00:49:33] Chris Ramsay: Um, I get to document my journey. through my, my unfiltered sort of journey and get some type of answer for myself. Again, it's very selfish. Um, it's, uh, I want to document, I want to show people what that looks like, somebody getting answers, uh, and figuring this whole thing out and what that looks like from, uh, from another perspective, that's it.

[00:49:58] Chris Ramsay: I'm not there to. definitively find an answer. I'm not there to tell you what reality is. Um, you can do that on your own. Um, but that's what I did. You know, I, I wasn't in favor of people telling me. What to believe in. I just don't like that. I don't like people saying, Oh, this is this because of this. And then, and just resign to that idea.

[00:50:24] Chris Ramsay: I'd rather do it myself and figure it out. If I come to the same conclusion, so be it. But my conclusion shouldn't affect how you believe something. It's, this is for me. So it was really important. And so the first, um, sort of investigation that I had on that channel, uh, wasn't actually meant to be on that channel.

[00:50:43] Chris Ramsay: It was meant to be on my main channel. It was, um, a dive into remote viewing a friend of mine, Nelson Dulles, he's a memory champion, incredible person. And he had told me, um, you know, he taught me how to do mind palaces and memorize a deck of cards, which, you know, is super cool. And then he told, he's into like this.

[00:51:04] Chris Ramsay: Consciousness sort of cognitive work. And he goes, oh yeah, do you know what remote viewing is? And I've heard this and I think I've heard it on like unsolved mysteries or something when I was a kid. And I was like, well, what's up with that? And he goes, I had, so there's these people who were hired by a hedge fund to headhunt potential future remote viewers to play the stock market for them.

[00:51:27] Chris Ramsay: Uh, so. You know, make of that what you will, but there are people with a lot of money investing in psychics. All right, you got my attention, right? I'll bite. So they teach him how to do this remote viewing, which is perceiving something non locally. That's the, you know, nutshell of it. And, um, they teach him to do this over a month, an hour a day, ends up playing the stock market, made these people money, and, um.

[00:51:53] Chris Ramsay: So I'm naturally intrigued because this is right up my alley of, you know, secret spy stuff. So I'm like, what's, how does this work? Can you teach me? And he goes, yeah, I'll teach you. And so he taught me, I spent a year documenting my journey through learning this, practicing it. And also, Then I started to, uh, meet with really interesting people.

[00:52:17] Chris Ramsay: I met with multiple people who worked for Project Stargate, which was a super top secret, um, program that the U S government was running for 20 years, which hired, um, psychic spies to essentially spy on the Soviets during the cold war, um, a lot of other things that went into this, but then I, I got to also You know, interview the chief research physicist, Dr.

[00:52:44] Chris Ramsay: May, who was in charge of this program, got to see the data, got to like, really, you know, see the nuts and bolts of this, rather than just, you know, take it on somebody's word that this stuff was real. I got to see the numbers, you know, I got to see that, you know, 17 out of the 19 agencies came back for more missions because, you know, for whatever reason, they just kept coming back to these psychics because they saw value, I guess they did.

[00:53:12] Chris Ramsay: They saw enough value to come back, you know, in over 20 years, 505 individual missions among these 17 out of the 19 agencies came back. Right. So there's, and there's 20 million being poured into this as this is something. This is something there. You can say for certain that there is something there and, you know, not to mention they had to go in front of an oversight committee every single year Congress to prove that they were worthy of this budget.

[00:53:37] Chris Ramsay: And so they had to prove to Congress through private remote viewing sessions. And every year Congress is like, yeah, there's something here. Keep going. You know? So there's all these little things that, that really aligned. Plus the experiences that I had, that Nelson had, where we talked about Did this remote viewing, got some pretty accurate results throughout.

[00:53:59] Chris Ramsay: And, um, I was left with all this footage and I was like, I don't think this, I think this will tank on my main channel. I don't think people will really like this. They want magic. They want puzzles. I'm not the amazing Randy. I'm not here to, you know, I'm here, I'm here to debunk, but if I, but I'm, but I'm also here with an open mind, you know, I'm not going to be, uh, an eternal skeptic.

[00:54:23] Chris Ramsay: I'm going to open my mind to, to this stuff. And I think my audience. Over the magic side. I don't know if they're ready for that. I don't know if they want to hear that. Right. They want, they like the James, the James Randy type stuff. And I'm like, I'm on the fence. I kind of want to know more before I, you know, put it into that.

[00:54:40] Chris Ramsay: And that's the reason again, that I did it myself. Well, what were some, sorry. Go ahead. 

[00:54:45] Travis Bader: No, go ahead. I was going to say, what were your biggest takeaways from the, uh, the remote viewing? 

[00:54:49] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, man. I mean, I got some results that were pretty impressive. Uh, I got to speak with Joe McMoneagle, who's, you know, a trained psychic, one of the best.

[00:54:58] Chris Ramsay: Um, I got to speak to a physicist who researches this and who gave me some really, really interesting answers. You know, the takeaway was they, They had 600 people that they tested, among those were mental level geniuses, were Stanford alumni, uh, intelligence army people, and out of those 600, 1%, which is a lot, showed a substantial amount of talent, and, you know, this is the scientific method, this isn't like just a parlor trick, this is like, scientific test conditions, and they have a rating system to figure out accuracy and the whole thing.

[00:55:38] Chris Ramsay: And six people out of these 600 showed a significant talent. Turns out those six people also had synesthesia and that was something they didn't foresee. And so they're like, Oh, there's a link here. All sorts of things like that started coming to light with these tests. And they, you know, they tested out, uh, they know that somehow Entropy, um, increases, uh, the targets at, or the, the session's accuracy.

[00:56:06] Chris Ramsay: So if they poured liquid nitrogen at a target site, they would get higher accuracy on the tests versus if they didn't, uh, the abilities, uh, the brain's ability to, you know, perceive change on a quantum field, I guess, or something. And so all of these really interesting studies that are happening in the PSI.

[00:56:24] Chris Ramsay: done by really credible people. You know, even the scientific oversight committee that was put together of 12 of the who's who in science, uh, to oversee project Stargate, and that included Dr. Schwartz, who won a Nobel prize for discovering, um, you know, particle beams, uh, he was on the scientific oversight committee, um, Dr.

[00:56:45] Chris Ramsay: Daryl BEM, there was Dr. Uh, Zimbardo who did, uh, the Stanford president experiments. It was like the who's who. Wow. And they had to be skeptical and they came up with the scientific method. And through that, and all their studies are published, all the books are out there. So people thinking, well, how can we, you got to go read it.

[00:57:01] Chris Ramsay: It's out there. 

[00:57:02] Travis Bader: Hmm. 

[00:57:02] Chris Ramsay: And I, I looked through it and it's, it's, yeah, it's sound. And although it isn't, I mean, there's been some stuff recently, the telepathy tapes and all this has been really interesting. I've been looking into, but it's been significant enough to show you that there is something present.

[00:57:20] Chris Ramsay: It's never, in their case, been 100 percent accurate. And I think that's where a lot of people get hung up. But when you're talking about science and P value and statistics, you don't have to be a hundred percent. You just have to be significantly higher than, uh, random randomness. Right. And they found that time and time again, that there is a significant value here to be looked at.

[00:57:44] Chris Ramsay: And that's what kept the project going. That's what keeps the research going. And that was enough for me. That was my biggest takeaway. I was like, okay, there's something. 

[00:57:50] Travis Bader: Um, 

[00:57:52] Chris Ramsay: you know, and, um, and then when I had all that, I was like, hell with it. Let's start a new channel. Yeah. Let's go down this road. I was just so fascinated by it.

[00:58:00] Chris Ramsay: And, um, I've always been passionate about stuff like that. So it sent me down a whole rabbit hole that changed my life. Yeah. So 

[00:58:08] Travis Bader: Sinith, I'll say, I'll say it wrong. Sinith, see, for me, that's where you like, you can smell colors and that's where you're right where you're at. 

[00:58:18] Chris Ramsay: You can, uh, see sounds and hear colors or smell them and like a whole gamut, a whole plethora of like different.

[00:58:25] Travis Bader: So I'm curious if they found that as a common denominator among the people, uh, would artificially inducing and I'll say it wrong again, but we'll artificially inducing that through, let's say psychedelics or something else, uh, be something that they work on to, to try and. 

[00:58:40] Chris Ramsay: So they tested a drugs with, um, with remote viewing and had, it had an adverse effect.

[00:58:46] Chris Ramsay: Hmm. Interesting. So, and they've tested with all, all drugs. They've tested with, you know, everything they've, they've literally tested everything. This was the seventies. Right. Right. Of course. Yeah. So, you know, everything you can think of and, uh, no, it would hinder, uh, the results. Interesting. Yeah. There's something about fogging up the interface with which you connect to this conscious field that exists around us.

[00:59:15] Chris Ramsay: Uh, and it isn't a frequency either. You know, they've tested this in, uh, submarines. 

[00:59:20] Travis Bader: Not a frequency. 

[00:59:20] Chris Ramsay: No, they tested in submarines and, uh, in some cases were more accurate and the submarines, you can't get any frequency down there. There's nothing that goes down there. So yeah, they, they ruled that out too.

[00:59:31] Chris Ramsay: It's it, it behaves more like a field, kind of like gravity. Yeah. Interesting. 

[00:59:34] Travis Bader: Yeah. So if you're to walk and you've had an out of body experience as well, have you? I had multiple, yeah. So can you walk me through what a remote viewing, uh, episode would look like for you and what an out of body experience would look like?

[00:59:48] Travis Bader: Yeah, 

[00:59:48] Chris Ramsay: drastically different. Um, okay. Uh, so remote viewing is just the ability to somehow perceive something non locally. That is the nutshell, right? And so what that means is like, I'm in a calm, meditative state. I'm trying to clear my mind, trying not to give into my imagination, which is the tough part because our minds are constantly racing.

[01:00:10] Chris Ramsay: through images and you're trying to ignore that. You're trying not to lead it anywhere. And then whatever comes to you, you use your pencil and you, you know, you write down the adjectives or the descriptors and you draw things. There's a whole process that they came up with that you do this. And. And then you see if that matches the target, which is in an envelope somewhere.

[01:00:32] Chris Ramsay: So you're blind to that. 

[01:00:34] Travis Bader: Hmm. 

[01:00:34] Chris Ramsay: Um, and you see, you know, you try to see if that matches, but while you're doing remote viewing for me personally, I always felt a little bit silly. I always felt silly. Uh, you're like, what am I doing? I'm not a psychic. Like this stuff doesn't exist. You know, there's, there's that skepticism naturally that you're like, this is silly, this is stupid.

[01:00:53] Chris Ramsay: And, you know, sometimes you're really confident. You're like, oh yeah, okay. I see this and this. And then as soon as you're about to open the envelope, you're like, God, this is dumb. I'm like, of course it's not going to be the same. What am I? Doing here, I just, you know, I got like a life form that's buzzing, maybe a bumblebee or something.

[01:01:08] Chris Ramsay: And like, there could be anything in here. It could be a freaking soccer ball. Like, you know, like, I don't know, this is, I'm going to look like such an idiot when this envelope opens. And that's the thought that goes into your head and then you open the envelope and you're like, Oh wait, hold on. That's not too far off, you know?

[01:01:20] Chris Ramsay: And so it's really interesting. Yeah. Um, now out of body, astral projection, whatever you want to call it, is it different experience that potentially, you know, relies on the same, um, mechanism, which is consciousness. But, uh, I had two experiences last year, last October, coming back from seeing one of these remote viewers who told me about the Monroe, so the Monroe Institute in Virginia, founded by Robert Monroe, 1958.

[01:02:01] Chris Ramsay: This guy, he was a sound engineer and he had spontaneous out of body. Um, spontaneous out of body that, that sort of happened to him in his own bedroom where he was bouncing against the ceiling, turned around, saw his own body, terrified him, slammed back into his body. He's like, what the heck's that? And he felt this buzzing, this vibration, heard the sound.

[01:02:24] Chris Ramsay: And again, he's a sound engineer, he's very, very much, um, left brained. Um, so he went to go see the doctor, he thought something was wrong with him. You know, because it kept happening and eventually he started studying, he dropped everything and started studying this stuff because he heard that other people were having it too and really wasn't talked about really quite taboo.

[01:02:45] Chris Ramsay: And he pursued this research, uh, so much so that he even started to try and mimic and sort of entrain the brain to follow certain, um, brain waves. So, like. You can stimulate the brain through entrainment, through frequency, that your brain will match, right? That's the sort of idea. To attain those low frequencies, so 30 hertz and under, because you can't hear those.

[01:03:17] Chris Ramsay: So you can never play a frequency and your brain's going to match it. You just can't do that because it's too low. So what he found out through his studies, and this is really interesting, is that pilots were like falling asleep a lot of times. And they found out it's because the engines were at different, we're creating sound that was at different frequency.

[01:03:36] Chris Ramsay: Uh, the difference, yeah, exactly. Binaural. He was the founder of this. Uh, and so what would happen is that like one engine would be at 110 Hertz. The other engine would be at a hundred Hertz, the difference being 10 Hertz. So what happens in your brain with this extra 10 Hertz, because you're hearing both of these sounds, your brain will synthesize that 10 Hertz.

[01:03:58] Chris Ramsay: And so now it's hearing it. Uh, which you couldn't hear normally if I just played 10 Hertz. So he found this out and started doing this on people. Turns out these people started having out of body experiences. He was able to match those lower states of, um, of awareness or those lower states of frequency, those, those, uh, theta states, those states where you're in a deep, uh, deep, uh, Sleep or in, um, deep meditation or in the zone, so to speak, and like the flow state, uh, all these sort of deep states, he was able to artificially induce those so much.

[01:04:34] Chris Ramsay: So they had a, they had a monk who was like 90 and he was kind of upset when he got there because he's like, dude, I've been doing this for 30 years and you guys. It took five minutes to get to the same state of awareness that I was in, you know, and, and so, yeah, they came up with this really cool thing, uh, which is binaural beats, or they called it Hemisync, which is the proprietary sound technology that they came up with.

[01:04:55] Chris Ramsay: And uh, this is a long, that's a long answer to the question, uh, in the, in the seventies during Stargate when the U. S. was really, really looking into the side. There's, they still are, by the way, they're still looking into sciability, uh, but we found out that they were looking into the sciability because it went public.

[01:05:14] Chris Ramsay: Um, but they were looking into sciability and they were interested in this. So they sent some remote viewers, some other members of the CIA to the Monroe Institute, contracted Bob Monroe to, uh, guide them through a process called the gateway process, which is this sort of increasing process, which eventually would induce astral projection.

[01:05:38] Chris Ramsay: Would, would make your soul body leave your physical. You could then leave the room, go into another room, look at something, come back into your body and tell us what that was. That was the essential goal of it. And those are the tests that they did. And some of the tests were very successful, especially with Joe McMonigle.

[01:05:54] Chris Ramsay: Um, you know, drawing the exact thing that was in the envelope. Um, so I had heard about this. So, uh, Joe McMonigle talked to me about this. I kind of brushed it off, like, astral projecting. I'm like, okay, it's probably a lucid dream or something, right? I've lucid dreamed before. Have you lucid dreamed, by the way?

[01:06:12] Chris Ramsay: Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. So you know that that, it feels real, but there's, you know, you know it's a dream. You're aware it's a dream. Yeah. And you can conduct it. You can get in and you can do whatever you want. Yeah. Super fun. 

[01:06:22] Travis Bader: It is. Yeah. 

[01:06:23] Chris Ramsay: Um, so one night I'm having a nightmare and nightmares for me are often, um, often turn into lucid dreams because I realized they're a nightmare.

[01:06:35] Chris Ramsay: And so it's a nightmare and I'm realizing it's a nightmare. So I want to try to open my eyes. Right? I'm like, forcing my eyes to open, all of a sudden my eyes open, I'm in my room, ugh, finally, I'm in my bed, but I'm in a weird place. My room is my room, it's fuzzy, I can see, I can see pretty clearly and I assume because it was, You know, my eyes were climatized to the darkness, everything was gray, sort of out of focus.

[01:07:05] Chris Ramsay: And I hear this, this buzzing, this electric, almost electric buzzing. And I feel my entire body like it was like you slapped me with a tuning fork. 

[01:07:19] Travis Bader: You're vibrating. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It felt like 

[01:07:22] Chris Ramsay: I was physically vibrating, although I knew I wasn't, but it felt that way. Almost like when you're, when your arms asleep or something, but it was my whole body and it was kind of euphoric.

[01:07:30] Chris Ramsay: It's like a good feeling. And I'm in this state at this point, I have no idea what out of body stuff is. I've, I haven't even looked into it. I don't know any, anything about this stuff, but I felt my, I felt that I could levitate weird. I was like, so relaxed. I was like, like this, this buzzing, this weird phasing is how I felt.

[01:07:49] Chris Ramsay: I could just like lift up. So I just started like willing myself up. And then all of a sudden I was like two feet off the bed and I got absolutely terrified. Like sheer terror came over me. It is the scariest feeling because it's not like flying in a dream. Flying in a dream is very pleasant. Flying in real life is terrifying because you're like, I'm not supposed to be flying.

[01:08:14] Chris Ramsay: This is real life. What the hell is happening? And so I, I, I fall back into my body. 

[01:08:21] Travis Bader: Did you fall with a thump? Did you feel like you like, I kind of like, 

[01:08:24] Chris Ramsay: I kind of like go back down gradually, like at half speed and like sink into my body. Like I feel like, like synced up, like S Y N C H, like I synced into my body.

[01:08:36] Chris Ramsay: And then. Um, I, I get up, I go, I drink a glass of water. I'm like, that was wild. And I had, I had taken that, it's been, it was like 10 days or like a week after I stopped smoking weed, uh, recreationally, so I had this thing called REM rebound, which is like a buildup of like REM, plus I took a melatonin before bed to try and get some sleep because of that.

[01:08:56] Chris Ramsay: So it was all this like perfect storm. Next night I'm like, all right, let's try this again. This time, if it happens, I'm going to try to navigate. It, you know, so sure enough, wake up in my room, same thing. I'm like, Oh, this is happening again. I lift up. I have the idea of turning around and looking at my body or looking not, not even, I didn't know that I was out of body.

[01:09:18] Chris Ramsay: I just thought it was floating. So I turn around and I see myself with my eyes closed. 

[01:09:24] Travis Bader: Crazy. 

[01:09:26] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. When's the last time you looked at yourself with your eyes closed? Exactly. It's terrifying. Yeah. I was like, am I dead? Like there's a whole, like, and so again, this wave of sheer terror comes over me. And I go back into my body, but I fall actually a little bit lower than my body.

[01:09:40] Chris Ramsay: And I'm like, Oh no. And I like will myself back up and then kind of come to, um, to that. A couple of weeks go by as time goes by. I'm thinking back, it's probably just a dream, right? Cause like right after the, I was obsessed for like two, three days. I was like, Google astral projection. All the same symptoms, same sound, same buzzing, vibration, same, but as the weeks go on, you kind of like your rational brain sets in.

[01:10:06] Chris Ramsay: Um, but then I came across the Monroe Institute who has these gateway processes. And I said for area 52, I would love to document. My journey through the gateway process, which has never been done. They've never allowed that before. It's like proprietary and everything. Uh, but they agreed, they agreed to have me out for a week and allow me full access to film the entire thing with, uh, other creators.

[01:10:32] Chris Ramsay: And I ended up doing that, had, You know, profound experience, meditating, learned how to meditate. It was great. All sorts of really cool, like moments where I felt vibration, like, like a truck was driving, you know, past the building. Like it was crazy sensations and visions. And we'd meditate six, seven hours a day.

[01:10:50] Chris Ramsay: It was like, it was insane. And then nothing happened. I was a little disappointed leaving. I was like, I really wanted to induce one of these feelings. One of these experiences. I got home, meditated an hour every day. Uh, for like three months, literally didn't miss a day, just hardcore meditate. I'd get up at like four in the morning sometimes to like do this, uh, just cause I was in that in between state.

[01:11:17] Chris Ramsay: And then yeah, three months later I ended up having my first experience of, um, an induced out of body experience in while I was awake while I was lucid. So I was, I was awake, closed my eyes to meditate. You know, I was super like relaxed. I listened to the tapes an hour later when the tapes are done. I took the headphones, put them down.

[01:11:40] Chris Ramsay: I was in like this nice in between state and I was like, it's going to happen. I just closed my eyes and I said to myself, I deeply desire to leave my body. And the third time I said it, I felt the phasing, the buzzing, a familiar sense. I lifted out of my body. And I could see in my room, I could see myself.

[01:11:59] Chris Ramsay: I was there, ended up going back into my body, waking up. And yeah, sure enough, it was like a minute of time had passed. It was, I was lucid the entire time from closing my eyes to leaving, to coming back. I was, I was lucid. I wasn't dreaming. Right. And that had really changed something in me that I was able to recreate that.

[01:12:16] Chris Ramsay: And again, this is like, not, I'm not saying this to convince people that it's real. And I, you know, if you want to debate whether or not this is real, that's up to you. But. Um, for me, it gave me a profound sense of, I am more than my physical body. Um, you know, I was raised Catholic. I turned staunchly atheist due to being a magician, uh, became agnostic after.

[01:12:45] Chris Ramsay: Not caring about all that stuff to now finding myself being a little bit more, uh, leaning a little bit more, uh, to the spiritual side, but also recognizing that there might be a science to this as well. And it's sort of, this is, this is the arc when I see people just being like this and being, uh, atheist, you know, Penn Jillette, all these other guys, I see this as a straight line.

[01:13:06] Chris Ramsay: It's not an arc, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm like straight and now I'm like arcing back to it. So there's like a whole story here, which I'm really, I really liked the idea of as well. But, um, but yeah, it's got me to question a lot of things personally, and it's got me to have a new, brand new outlook on life, on the afterlife, on the fear of death, on, you know, and, and now consuming a lot of books on the matter.

[01:13:34] Chris Ramsay: Uh, I read every single day, new things, um, that just sort of, I'm connecting dots that I otherwise wouldn't have connected because of these experiences I've had. So I'm really grateful for this journey, really happy how it's changed me. You know, and like I said, I'm not there to convince anyone of anything.

[01:13:52] Chris Ramsay: I would, the only thing I would say is do, do it for yourself. See what happens. If nothing happens, cool. 

[01:13:55] Travis Bader: You know, what does it cause you? The question, the most 

[01:14:00] Chris Ramsay: has it caused me to question and it's given me answers. It's like, yeah, that's been the most, the most, um, gratifying thing is, is knowing I have a knowing now, you know, and I, again, I don't want to impose this on anyone, but for me, I know, I feel that I know that I don't, I don't You don't just die, you know, and I have that feeling now, and that has been very comforting.

[01:14:23] Chris Ramsay: And I'm hearing myself say this and I'm someone who I would have argued with five years ago. Sure. You know, take that for what it's worth. 

[01:14:32] Travis Bader: You know, doing research for this podcast here, looking at different, uh, uh, the videos that you've got out there and then trying to talk to people who are staunch believers and, and ardent, uh, ardently opposed to it.

[01:14:48] Travis Bader: In, in navigating the different, uh, uh, the ideas on it, it, it's been interesting. The people that come out of the woodwork. That you might not think you'd have an opinion on this or not, especially when you talk about, of course, this, the Minotaur Institute stuff, the astral projection, but also when you start talking about other phenomena, which you talk about in your, uh, on your YouTube channel, which is a UFO stuff.

[01:15:15] Travis Bader: Yeah. And I've talked to people from NORAD. I've talked to people from, uh, um, high level. In government that have, uh, worked with some of the people that, uh, you've been mentioning here and you've mentioned in other places. And it's, it's crazy how, how this is in so many people's mind in consciousness, yet it isn't really talked about a ton out of fear of maybe speculate or of, um, yes, the stigma of, uh, the ridicule.

[01:15:45] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. 

[01:15:45] Travis Bader: Um, 

[01:15:46] Chris Ramsay: yeah, that is, uh, that is, yeah, bang on. Um, I think that, I think that stigma is, is, uh, slowly dissipating. Um, I think we feel it culturally with, you know, uh, people having open conversations like we're having now. There are obviously other podcasts that I'm sure people are aware of that, you know, give platforms to, uh, people with more fringe ideas, uh, a place to talk about them.

[01:16:12] Chris Ramsay: And I think because of that, it really is lifting, uh, the stigma. Um, you know, especially with the whole little green men thing, you know, that's something that, you know, you'd always refer to non human intelligence is like, Oh, these little green men from Mars and they're flying saucers. And it was always sort of like tinfoil hat, you'd play the little X Files music, you know, and that was like the whole.

[01:16:35] Chris Ramsay: Just a bit now we're having credible physicists, uh, anthropologists like Michael Masters, uh, looking into this, uh, possibly being extra tempestual beings being from the future, you know, because if you follow a revolution, we might look like them. Um, we have people like, uh, Graham Hancock questioning, you know, our past, uh, perhaps they did have some type of technology in these ancient civilizations that we're unaware of.

[01:17:02] Chris Ramsay: Um, but we also, you know, have people studying, um, you know, people who are neurodivergent and they're finding out there's some really interesting things there that tie it to sigh ability. And, um, there's just, yeah, yeah. There's the telepathy tapes. I mentioned it earlier. It's very interesting. Very, very interesting.

[01:17:21] Chris Ramsay: Um, there are people from all walks of life getting involved in this. And I think that because. If this is real, which I know it's real. There's another knowing that I know there's something going on. Um, but if this is real, then it does merit attention, obviously. And it merits the attention of absolutely every field.

[01:17:45] Chris Ramsay: I think, you know, I spoke to someone recently, uh, Chrissy Newton. She's from Toronto. She's, um, a journalist, uh, and a UAP, uh, investigator. And she says this too. We, you know, we need everyone. You need everyone to be interested in this stuff. You need everyone from all walks of life. You need people who are into medicine.

[01:18:06] Chris Ramsay: You need people who are, uh, into, uh, you know, exercise or all, all these different facets because they all relate back. This is so important that if this happens, if this, you know, disclosure moment happens or whatever that is, we're going to need all hands on deck to really figure out what this means as a society.

[01:18:27] Chris Ramsay: Everybody's going to have to play their part because. You know, it's a conversation that a lot of people unfortunately want to avoid due to the potential repercussions, that ontological repercussion that that brings with it. It means that your life isn't so important, or rather, it's placed on a different scale.

[01:18:50] Chris Ramsay: And that frightens the heck out of people, you know, for good reason. Um, you know, and I know a lot of people in my life who I could, I could confidently say the way that they're living would not deal, would not fare so well with, with this type of, uh, disclosure. 

[01:19:07] Travis Bader: What type of people wouldn't deal well in something like this?

[01:19:10] Chris Ramsay: Well, I think that people who, um, don't have time for it is how I would put it. Cause I hear a lot of that. I hear people like, yeah, but aliens, I just don't have time for that. Right. I'm like, okay, cool. Well, I don't think that matters if they show up. What are you going to do? Like, keep going to work?

[01:19:31] Chris Ramsay: Obviously we're going to keep, you know, but we also have to devote, I think, if that happens, a part of, you know, Your mind to that, because now this brings in a whole other set of beliefs, values, questions that you either draw attention to or completely ignore. Yeah. And then you ignoring. And I think a lot of people are comfortable ignoring, but when faced with Uh, you know, uh, potential disclosure, like now we're having these UAP hearings and there's all sorts of talk in government and, uh, there's policies being written about UAP.

[01:20:10] Chris Ramsay: There's these drone incursions that have been happening recently that they don't exactly know, you know, where the origin of these are. And so this, the conversation is becoming more and more real and you either open yourself up to it. Or shun, you know, yourself from it. And if you do the latter, I do believe that, you know, we've seen cases of ontological shock and it's not pretty.

[01:20:32] Chris Ramsay: Um, you look at, there was these tribes, I think in New Zealand, uh, native tribes, there was a documentary on them. Um, there's a documentary on seeing them for the first time. So this tribe was uncontacted forever. And they're seeing man for the white guys for the first time. Right. So. This is exactly what it would look like if you saw an alien.

[01:21:02] Chris Ramsay: If you watch this, it is exactly that. Good point. Because they look, they're, okay, they're bipedal. Yeah. They have that in common. But other than that, 

[01:21:10] Travis Bader: They look totally different. The 

[01:21:11] Chris Ramsay: face structure is different. The color of their skin is different. Their clothes is different. They're using, uh, advanced technology, gadgets, vehicles, that are making crazy sound, planes, all speaking a different language, writing different symbols.

[01:21:27] Chris Ramsay: This is an entirely different civilization. An entirely different level of intelligence that they're used to. Thank you. And you can see the terror in the confliction with, uh, with these people trying to come to terms with what it is they're observing. And I think, you know, that, that serves as almost a template for what it is we can expect, you know, when meeting, um, such a drastically different form of intelligence.

[01:21:59] Chris Ramsay: Um, and so, you know, it's, it's a lesson to be learned, but you know, I'm, I've already had multiple paradigm shifts in my life and, and, and, and sort of like, I'm in the process of preparing myself for like such, you know, but I've, I've spoken to people who've had contact. Yeah. You know, according to them. Sure.

[01:22:21] Chris Ramsay: And, and not just with UAP, you know, with entities and stuff. So it's like, you know, and when you, when you meet these people, when you speak to these people, there's, there's just some people you're like, you have no reason to lie. And you're like in, you're a, you're a, you're an upholding citizen. And you're like, you're like this, this pillar in your community.

[01:22:44] Chris Ramsay: Why would you, why would you say these things if it wasn't true? Did that video 

[01:22:48] Travis Bader: that I sent over, did that video make it out to you? Which one's that? So there's a talk about upstanding people in their community pillars and what they do. Um, it was a UAP video, uh, and it was videotaped by three people who work in law enforcement, who are doing surveillance in a remote wilderness area.

[01:23:06] Travis Bader: And, uh, there was a, um, a circular multicolored changing with a dark kind of center. And I have these two kind of like light beams that kind of came off a little bit off the side. And they were able, when they blew out the candle and the lantern, they could see a bit of a light coming straight down from it.

[01:23:28] Travis Bader: And this video, I don't know. So I guess it didn't make it over. I'll watch 

[01:23:32] Chris Ramsay: it though. It sounds incredibly interesting. 

[01:23:34] Travis Bader: So these people are highly credible. They're trained in surveillance. Uh, in the short clip I sent over, you could see them talking in a way that people doing surveillance would, I see this confirmed.

[01:23:46] Travis Bader: I see that, but they're just kind of working their way through it. Yeah. Um, and there was nothing for hundreds of kilometers behind where this thing should be, couldn't gauge distance. Uh, some thought maybe it's close, but if it was close and moving kind of like a drone, it, there was no sound to it. One fellow thought it was probably far out there and, uh, still huge.

[01:24:16] Travis Bader: Yeah. And mind you, there were other videos, uh, on your channel that I look at that very closely matched the same object. And they're talking about, uh, that was one where you, you've. First started talking about, um, what was it called? Uh, Immaculate Constellation. Yep. 

[01:24:35] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. You know, um, there are credible people in the government that have testified in front of Congress, um, put their careers, their lives in some cases on the line.

[01:24:47] Chris Ramsay: Uh, discussing the programs that they've either been read into or made aware of that involve, you know, uh, retrieval of some of these exotic materials that are, um, not of Earth. Mm. Um, and that's their words, you know? So you have to either tell yourself they're lying. In which case, I guess, well, I mean, if you're going to say that, that's fine, but now you're telling you now you're telling yourself, like, you don't trust the government.

[01:25:21] Chris Ramsay: So you've in turn become a conspiracy theorist yourself. Have you, have you heard 

[01:25:25] Travis Bader: the, uh, the theory of, um, no, I've, I've And some of this is new to me. Some of this I've been, uh, kind of watching for a while, but, um, that it's an anti government movement, the recent UAP hearings and disclosure. Like the blue beam or like all sorts of, 

[01:25:43] Chris Ramsay: yeah.

[01:25:44] Chris Ramsay: And, and that is a possibility, um, because there is precedent for that as well. There's a documentary out there called, uh, uh, Miraclemen and it is about a disinformation campaign that, Within the CIA, uh, that basically makes some guy believe something that he tells the masses. Um, and people believe him, then they prove that it wasn't real, and so it becomes disinformation.

[01:26:13] Chris Ramsay: But the thing with disinformation is like, If I was, and, and, and this is public knowledge, by the way, and people, folks can look this up, there are departments, uh, in counterintelligence that are hired to, uh, talk about UAP, right? Um, to make the public, uh, whether it's through ridicule, whether it's through conspiracy, or whether it's actually to just put out false information.

[01:26:40] Travis Bader: Uh, 

[01:26:42] Chris Ramsay: so that exists, that has been proven. We know that. And, you know, you wouldn't put it past these 19 agencies, uh, who are made up of the most intelligent people in the United States, you know, to, to do things like that, to control whatever it is they need to control. Let's talk to a guy who. Does that? Yeah, exactly.

[01:26:58] Chris Ramsay: So, you know, if they do job in the 

[01:27:00] Travis Bader: government. 

[01:27:00] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. And if they do have these programs, which are super dark and black programs that don't exist, which we know of the, there are programs like that because they come to light Stargate's one of them, they come to light afterwards and you're like, Oh my God, okay, this, this was going on.

[01:27:16] Chris Ramsay: So, you know, if there are these. These things that they have to protect these legacy retrieval programs, then naturally, you know, they would spread some, uh, disinfo. Um, and the way they do that is really interesting too, because they don't, um, if I were to, you know, if you said, oh, UFOs and aliens exist as, as, as a member of this disinformation campaign.

[01:27:43] Chris Ramsay: I wouldn't say no, they don't. I would say, yeah. And they're also on the moon and the Nazis are involved and there's lizard people and I would yes end them. Right. And so now you throw the baby out with the bathwater and, and, you know, this is, this is things they've also done at crash sites. So there are certain crash sites in New Mexico.

[01:28:04] Chris Ramsay: Uh, called the, um, uh, uh, the donation fields, uh, where they've retrieved a lot of, uh, material, metamaterial, like other, you know, potential crafts and their stories. There's witnesses to all this, namely Roswell's like the most famous, but there's been others. And if you go to these sites, which are highly under surveillance, um, they are littered.

[01:28:25] Chris Ramsay: And scattered with shrapnel, like, uh, tin cans, aluminum. 

[01:28:33] Travis Bader: So, so people are picking up tin cans, thinking that they're getting the real good. Well, 

[01:28:37] Chris Ramsay: people are going out there with metal detectors and can't find, uh, the difference between perhaps exotic alloys and, you know, earthly, earthly, uh, fabricated metals.

[01:28:50] Chris Ramsay: And so there's sprinkle and that's just how this information works as well. It's like, yeah. It's much easier to sprinkle the truth in with a lot of, uh, false truths, and then people prove the false truths, and then they throw everything out. And that's a, it's a very intelligent way of doing that. And it's obviously not something I'd put, put past them.

[01:29:09] Travis Bader: Well, there's a fellow who's works in, through his career in different levels of government and who's an ardent believer in, there's something else out there, whether that's interdimensional, whether that's, uh, uh, temporal, like you were saying there, but he put me onto a book called, uh, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

[01:29:28] Travis Bader: Have you heard of that one? No, I've heard of it. I haven't read it. Okay. I haven't read it either, but AI is pretty cool. Chat GPT, I got it to give me a summary of the thing. But, um, uh, this person's take on the recent, uh, hearings that went out is that he's having a hard time buying it. He believes that there's something else out there, but he believes that there's a financial motivation for, uh, some people involved in this.

[01:29:53] Travis Bader: Of course. 

[01:29:54] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. I mean, of course these, uh, you know, privatized legacy companies that have been working with this stuff, you know, for, since the forties. Um, I've been involved closely with the government. You know, you look at Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, EG& G back in the day. These are all companies that, you know, produce spacecrafts for the NRO.

[01:30:15] Chris Ramsay: They produce satellites, spy satellites. They produce, Absolutely every single piece of modern tech that we have in the air that, you know, the B2 bomber, which was, you know, apparently partially made in area 51. Like, and so there's all these, uh, technologies that the government has to work on. We understand that.

[01:30:35] Chris Ramsay: We understand that the government has to be at the forefront and that when we receive technology, it's probably been out for 20 years on a military side. Right. Um, the problem with that is. If you're doing it within the government, you are subject to, uh, congressional inquiry. Whereas if you privatize it, you are not obliged to provide the same amount of information because it's proprietary.

[01:31:07] Chris Ramsay: Um, and there's a reason they came up with that law and it was because of these retrievals, um, you, you know, so let's say hypothetically that one of these craft, uh, crash landed and instead of haul, you know, we'll haul it off to a military base. Um, we'll say right, Patterson, we'll just say, um, and once it, once it gets there, well, if it's there for too long, it's going to, I mean, prying eyes and everything else.

[01:31:37] Chris Ramsay: So they'll take this apart into a thousand different pieces, scatter and compartmentalize everybody working on it, um, subcontract this to a dozen. Um, you know, aerospace contractors, uh, and be like, Hey, you look at the metal, you look at the propulsion, you look at the, um, the energy source and all these different things.

[01:32:01] Chris Ramsay: So these, even these companies and within those companies, they have compartmentalized teams. So I know somebody who works at SpaceX who, when he works on something, he's not allowed to know where this piece goes. 

[01:32:12] Travis Bader: Mm. 

[01:32:13] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. Uh, it would be much easier for him to do his job if he could just know where it goes.

[01:32:17] Chris Ramsay: And they're like, no, sorry, just make the part. Um, but that's to compartmentalize this stuff. So that because you're working in aerospace, it's also considered, uh, weaponry. Sure. And, and you have to make sure that no foreign, you know, adversary is also gathering this information. So they compartmentalize this stuff.

[01:32:37] Chris Ramsay: And a lot of times there's over classification, over compartmentalization. And so when the people at these companies like Lockheed or Raytheon are, are working on these parts, they don't know. Necessarily that it's from another star system, potentially, they just think it's advanced military tech. They have no idea because it's got an American sticker on it.

[01:32:58] Chris Ramsay: And they, you know, they just assume this is high tech stuff and they're signed. They signed lifelong NDAs. We know this, uh, that they're bound to even after death, um, you know, even after death. 

[01:33:12] Travis Bader: Yeah. As in, they can't posthumously have something like Dead Man's Switch. 

[01:33:18] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, no, and a lot of people, um, you know, and this has been said, David Grush, who, uh, you know, and, and Lou Elizondo, who have both worked.

[01:33:28] Chris Ramsay: Uh, with, you know, David Grush has had GS 15 clearance, which is like the highest secret clearance higher than people in Congress, you know? And so he's been briefed or not briefed. He's been told by people who've been briefed that, yeah, there's threats, death threats by these companies, by these private companies and by the government and by factions of the government.

[01:33:48] Chris Ramsay: Um, that like, you know, if you tell anyone we'll kill your entire family. And like, that's it. You know, you. You hear this and you think, surely my government wouldn't do it. And surely, and you might, Hey, you might be right. Sure. But, well, I don't know about that. I don't know. Yeah. But let's say for a second, right?

[01:34:05] Chris Ramsay: Because a lot of people think like, well, this is just a big secret. Everybody's first of all, very few people know about this. This is like, there's like 500 people that are read into these projects. It's not big. Everything else is speculation, but you know, how do you keep a secret like that? Surely people are like, well, just an NDA, you know, it's just an NDA.

[01:34:23] Chris Ramsay: But if you go to someone with kids and you say. Hey, we'll take out your whole family from the equation. You know, you don't want to take even 1 percent of a chance of that being true. You want to protect your family. So naturally you're never going to talk about it. You'll never talk about it. Even if, even if there's a 99 percent chance that they're just bluffing.

[01:34:47] Chris Ramsay: If there's a 1 percent chance that you're not going to put your family at risk, right? So you'll never talk. And that's how they've basically been, um, keeping this a secret for like 70 years. It's, it's an insane thing to hear if you're hearing it for the first time, but there's a lot of documentation on this stuff.

[01:35:03] Travis Bader: I don't know. We, the, uh, Silvercore podcast, I think has an audience that might be a little more, um, Understanding or, um, a skeptical of government than, uh, than others. Well, uh, talking about UAPs is not something that we've, uh, talked too much about in the past. Um, John Sinai did bring some of that up. He's a futurist and he's from South Africa, interesting fellow, but, um, I, I like the, uh, the connection between, uh, us and our natural world and our natural environment.

[01:35:36] Travis Bader: And, you know, even talking with, uh, ex special forces, um, Sean Taylor, ex JTF2, uh, he talks about things that would be very akin to, uh, but in a different wavelength to what you've been talking about here. So there is a crossover in, in our audiences and there's, I would say there's definitely a, um, an openness to believing that the government might be doing something to hide things because it's been, you know, True proven over and over again in, in our industry.

[01:36:10] Travis Bader: Um, I did put out some questions to, uh, Silvercore club members and, and a few people. I kind of selectively went through it because I knew these are people who would have an interest in what it is you're doing. And, uh, if you're up for it, I got a few of them here. So, um, uh, By the way, sorry to cut you off.

[01:36:31] Travis Bader: Um, 

[01:36:31] Chris Ramsay: JTF. Joint task force was actually, uh, the number one client of Stargate. They had, yeah, they had like, uh, out of the 505 missions, I think 172 of them came from the joint task force, separate missions, 172 separate missions. 

[01:36:49] Travis Bader: Perhaps that's why what he talks about is very similar to what you're talking about here.

[01:36:54] Travis Bader: When he talks about his consciousness in another room and how he expands it past. And, uh, I'll have to, uh, I'll have to bring that up. Yeah, 

[01:37:00] Chris Ramsay: you have to, I have to ask him. They would, they would intercept, um, they would intercept a lot of drug smuggling on the coastline. Um, And they would do these remote viewings weeks before.

[01:37:11] Chris Ramsay: So they would know weeks ahead of time where this person is going to be with the drugs. And they would, then they would intercept it. And that's why they came back 172 times. 

[01:37:18] Travis Bader: Interesting. Like he talks right now about his consciousness. He'll feel what's inside the next room, the room that he's not in just in his, uh, in his waking time and how he practices that.

[01:37:29] Travis Bader: Very cool. Interesting guy to talk about, uh, do we live in a simulation? Is it a holographic universe? Are we living in a matrix? Because. Isn't it? Um, he brings a, uh, a neat perspective. He's been on the podcast here before and. Very cool. Cool fellow. Um, but he says, um, the Nike, uh, we have one here curious to hear what the feeling was like in the room for the congressional hearings.

[01:37:53] Travis Bader: Was there a nuance that folks who are watching me have missed? 

[01:37:57] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, definitely. First of all, feeling was historical, uh, you know, as a Canadian YouTuber, puzzle solver, magician, I felt, you know, an immense sense of, uh, imposter syndrome, uh, sitting there, especially courtside, you know, it was, it was a wild experience.

[01:38:15] Chris Ramsay: Um, The things that people may have missed. Well, beside me to my right was someone, uh, some type of director of NASA at some, on some level, some very high up at NASA. And he was like, play by playing everything Mike Gold was saying on the other side of the table, uh, texting to someone like nonstop. So I was like, okay, he's under a watchful eye.

[01:38:35] Chris Ramsay: That's for sure. Um, another thing that people might've missed is, uh, you know, you'll see the witnesses answering questions on the C SPAN feed. In person, there's a lot going on up there, you know, on the sort of dais or on the panel or whatever these, these, uh, congressmen and women are constantly whispering in each other's ears, sharing notes, you know, so who knows what they're saying, but there's a whole other interactive side that's happening while the questions are being answered.

[01:39:08] Chris Ramsay: And mainly they ask the questions just to get the stuff on the record. They don't really care about hearing the answer themselves. You know, they're like, okay, now it's in the record. That's all they want. Uh, but yeah, they're busy, you know, scheming away or figuring out the, you know, what the next step is or new information.

[01:39:22] Chris Ramsay: So it was interesting to see just that side of things from, and that's the side you won't see if you tune in online. So, and then I got to go sort of behind the scenes, there's like a back room, um, um, Hang out with all the witnesses and some of the people in Congress, Tim Burchett, and, you know, there's things that I noticed like Tim Burchett, I talked to, he's very friendly, uh, you know, but he was taking a selfie at one point and I noticed on the back of his phone case, he's got a Bigfoot sticker, something you wouldn't have seen, you know, if you weren't there in that room.

[01:39:55] Chris Ramsay: Yep. So, you know, that gives me a little bit of insight into, you know, who he is potentially. Mm hmm. So, you know, just, just from, from a, again, a social aspect, I got to, I got to, uh, learn a lot and, and just acquire a lot of information, um, floating around freely in these little spaces. 

[01:40:17] Travis Bader: Excellent. We got, uh, of course, Immaculate Constellation, what were his big takeaways from the report and what should people be paying attention to?

[01:40:25] Travis Bader: And what do you think the next steps for Congress are? A lot of questions in that. Yeah. 

[01:40:29] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. Great questions. Uh, big takeaways from Immaculate Constellation. One of them was that they said multiple whistleblowers had, you know, Had, uh, gone into, gone into a skiff at Congress and spoken to congressional members.

[01:40:41] Chris Ramsay: So that's important. That's important knowing what the questions coming from Congress were. Now that you know that, you gotta ask yourself, Are these questions from Congress coming from an informed, uh, Um, point of view, or are they coming from YouTube rabbit hole? Like we don't know, but you know, it would be interesting if it was the former.

[01:41:04] Chris Ramsay: Um, secondly, um, what was, what was the second part of the question? Um, 

[01:41:11] Travis Bader: what should we be paying attention to? And what do you think next steps for Congress are? 

[01:41:14] Chris Ramsay: Right. Okay. What should we be paying attention to? Um, hard to say, hard to say. We're, uh, there's a battle for our attention. You know, so you're going to, your attention is going to be drawn in many different directions.

[01:41:30] Chris Ramsay: I would just keep an open mind, um, you know, you're going to be hearing a lot of drone incursion talk. You're going to be hearing, you know, you're going to be hearing whistleblowers. You're going to be hearing a lot of different things, you know, stay the course, stay skeptical. Um, don't form, you An opinion is like the biggest takeaway that I have for all of this and is what I'm trying to do with my channel as well.

[01:42:01] Chris Ramsay: Let's just keep absorbing information, you know, make connections, but do not block anything out due to some preconceived notion of, you know, You know, your objective reality, allow yourself to, to, uh, to wander off. And then what can we expect from Congress? I don't know. I think the only thing that I look forward to, and I can speak for a lot of people is we want a firsthand witness to be brought up in one of these hearings.

[01:42:27] Chris Ramsay: We're sick of hearing thirdhand accounts. Um, you know, a bunch of brave, uh, men have spoken and, but we could use a lot more people who've perhaps potentially worked on these craft. Or a body. Yeah. And for that, or a body. Yeah, exactly. Uh, but for that to be a reality, there needs to be greater protection in place for these people because they do fear for their lives and it is the reason they're not coming forward.

[01:42:56] Travis Bader: So here's one says, I reacted to a question in the hearing about the human genetic modification via hybridization. Although I've heard it's a theory for the quote, human race, I haven't heard. That is a potential SAP or program in the military. How valid do you think that claim is? 

[01:43:12] Chris Ramsay: Well, she said it was whispers.

[01:43:13] Chris Ramsay: It was a Congresswoman Boebert who spoke about that, that there was whispers on the Hill of something like that, that those whispers had been going back into pre cold war era in the sixties. Um, you know, you look at. where Captain America, you know, was spawned from. It was spawned from the same genetic enhancement programs, you know, that the government, you know, potentially had to create super soldiers.

[01:43:40] Chris Ramsay: Um, however, if you look more into, and this is something a lot of people aren't ready to talk about, but if you look into abductions, um, which have been going back a long time, um, hundreds of thousands of cases, um, This isn't, this isn't something small, this isn't something new. This isn't just Travis Walton, fire in the sky.

[01:44:03] Chris Ramsay: This is, this goes way beyond that with thousands of credible people who are not willing to come forward for fear of stigma and ridicule, who are mapping out a potential, um, reason for this happening collectively. You have, uh, people like, you know, John Mack, uh, David Jacobs, uh, even Bud Hopkins who have spoken to collectively tens of thousands of witnesses and had their testimony, whether through regression, whether through, um, you know, their, their actual, you know, just, uh, memory, um, and, and also, also, you know, physical testimony.

[01:44:46] Chris Ramsay: scars or, you know, implants or whatnot, have come forward to talk about their experience and their interaction with these, uh, beings. And there's been a lot of commonalities, a lot. It's pretty consistent, very consistent. And it looks like, and you know, do I believe this? I'm leaning towards there's some truth here because of the amount of people and the credibility of the people, but it's leaning towards there is some type of.

[01:45:14] Chris Ramsay: genetic agenda, um, with this, uh, intelligence. Um, you know, what that is, is speculative at best. Um, you know, whether it's to genetically enhance humans to be prepared for something, whether it's something more nefarious, I don't know. But there does seem to be some type of connection. And I think that's what was being referred to, uh, because this has been studied for a very long time.

[01:45:42] Chris Ramsay: It's a very serious issue, but it's an issue. Not a lot of people are ready to, it's a conversation people aren't ready for. Um, people are still, you know, are UAP real and, you know, I've spoken to several, um, you know, experiencers who clearly have post traumatic stress from their experiences. who gain nothing from saying this because they don't want to go public.

[01:46:15] Chris Ramsay: Uh, who you can see in their eyes are absolutely terrified. Of what they went through and who hide that from even, uh, the people closest to them, you know? So it's, uh, you know, it's people who begin to speak about it and then break down because they can't continue and you have to like pry it out of them because they're not willing to give it up.

[01:46:40] Chris Ramsay: They just don't want to even utter the words because of how traumatic it was. Like these types of experiences are numerous, it's terrifying. 

[01:46:49] Travis Bader: Whitley Yeah, Whitley Strieber. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. There is. Absolutely. As a kid, I read those, uh, Communion and watched Christopher Walken play the role. And I don't think I slept with the lights off for a while after that one.

[01:47:02] Travis Bader: I think it was 12, 10, 11 around there. 

[01:47:04] Chris Ramsay: Absolutely. And you know, there are, again, like I said, thousands of experiences, very similar. And many comparisons can be, can be drawn. And, uh, you know, those are only the people who are willing to speak about it. Uh, and so, yeah, there, there does seem to be some type of genetic program.

[01:47:25] Chris Ramsay: Uh, and I don't know whether or not there are factions of the government that are aware of that, or if there is a separate genetic program, you know, happening within the government, those are all speculatory, you know, conversations, um, which I'm happy to indulge. But again, I won't, you know, I won't definitively say anything is anything.

[01:47:47] Chris Ramsay: I'm not in a position to say that, uh, but I'm just, I'm having fun connecting the dots and I find it really interesting that there are a lot of people saying the same things with nothing to gain. I think that's just an interesting data point. 

[01:47:59] Travis Bader: Yeah. Yeah. Um, here's one that we kind of touched on. I'd love to hear his thoughts on what it is.

[01:48:06] Travis Bader: Extraterrestrial, interdimensional, time traveler theories. Which does he feel is most likely? 

[01:48:12] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I think all of the above. Yeah. I think, um, as, as far as I'm concerned with the information that we're given, it could be a number of things. And so I say, why not just be everything then? Um, and I think that, Is probably, you know, a, uh, a good enough, a good enough place to, to be, uh, far better than thinking nothing's up, you know, so I just kind of like, all right, let's.

[01:48:41] Chris Ramsay: Consider all these things. I think they're all interesting. You know, I gave an analogy early on in one of my videos talking about like how I see the phenomenon. And for me, it's like about letting people into my house. So like, I know remote viewing, I've gotten to know remote viewing. I spent a year, you know, doing it.

[01:48:58] Chris Ramsay: And I've spoken to people, credible people, and I've done it myself. So remote viewing, you can come in, you can come into my house. You know, I know you. Astral projection or out of body. I also gotten to know you, you can come in. Um, you know, for me, Bigfoot still got to stay in the yard. I'm not, I'm not saying I don't believe you.

[01:49:18] Chris Ramsay: I just don't know you like that. My friends vouch for you. They say you're a good guy. They say you're real. I just don't have that relationship with you yet. So you're, you can't come in. That's just how I, but, but I'll definitely like, You're allowed in the yard. You can be on the front porch, you know, and that's kind of how I treat a lot of these.

[01:49:38] Chris Ramsay: I like that analogy. Yeah, it's kind of how I treat a lot of these situations, uh, in the realm of consciousness, Psy or NHI or UAP. Unless I get to really know you, you can't come in. Hmm. Um, but you'll, you'll be in the yard. I'm aware of you. I'll hear you out. But yeah, that's about as far as I'm willing to go.

[01:50:01] Travis Bader: Hmm. Um, yeah, I think there's some, some cool analogies on that. Uh, I remember a fellow saying, uh, you know, we had two forms of life. We had plant life, we got animal life, right. And then they got the microscope and they said, okay, hold on, hold on. There's another form of life out here. And they're saying, well, perhaps what we're looking at now is just needs a different way to look at it.

[01:50:25] Travis Bader: And I think quantum entanglement was one of the things that came up and they're talking about. How, um, we're learning things about quantum entanglement. One spins one way at a lot and you change direction, it'll change the other one. And so, well, maybe we're just, maybe we're just looking at the same thing.

[01:50:43] Travis Bader: It's like a, uh, what was it? A, uh, a goldfish looking out and you put two monitors on either side of its, uh, um, goldfish tank and a video camera on it. And it'll see itself moving and doing two different things. Two completely different views, but it's, it's all the same thing. So I thought that was kind of an interesting, uh, analogy.

[01:51:03] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. You have to leave room for, uh, you know, that, that new perspective. Uh, but at the same time, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to make it a, cause that's, that's the thing with these things, it can be a floodgate. You let one person in your house and all of a sudden it's an open house party and there's, you know, reptilians digging through the fridge.

[01:51:22] Chris Ramsay: So you got to watch out where you draw that line and really, you know, get to know something before you commit entirely. That's been the main focus of like my current journey is like to really get to know it myself, uh, you know, before I come to any type of conclusion and that conclusion, I hope bears no weight on anyone else's personal journey.

[01:51:45] Chris Ramsay: I just want to document my journey. 

[01:51:49] Travis Bader: So we had questions about ontological shock, but I think you've, you've covered those. Um, one interesting one, um, fellow I've been talking with, he was introduced to me through a friend of mine and he is an ardent believer, but he's also not a believer in the current, uh, disclosure program.

[01:52:07] Travis Bader: He talks about, uh, Bigelow Enterprises and Bass and monetary. Yeah. Uh, all of this stuff. And he says he was, um, involved with Lou Alessandro and, um, uh, ready to do some, uh, work on that side until he reached a point where he felt that he was basically the, uh, useful idiot is what he said. He says, I was a staunch believer.

[01:52:33] Travis Bader: I really wanted to do something here. Uh, but I felt I was being portrayed or used to achieve a means that wasn't. What was being sold to the general public 

[01:52:47] Chris Ramsay: in the program he was involved in. 

[01:52:50] Travis Bader: He was involved in, uh, well, I don't know. I guess I'll talk to him further to see, I don't think he was in the program.

[01:52:56] Travis Bader: He was involved in, um, 

[01:52:58] Chris Ramsay: but he saw himself as a useful idiot in the program that he was involved in. 

[01:53:03] Travis Bader: Yes. Uh, and I guess that goes to my question to you would be, are you approaching these things with an eye towards, am I being used? Am I, are people trying to use my platform to disseminate a message that, uh, um, it would just be self fulfilling for them.

[01:53:30] Chris Ramsay: It's a 

[01:53:30] Travis Bader: good question, man. I don't know. It never crossed my mind till this guy brought it up. 

[01:53:38] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. That's a big responsibility, you know, it 

[01:53:40] Travis Bader: is. 

[01:53:41] Chris Ramsay: Yeah. How would you answer that? 

[01:53:46] Travis Bader: Well, if I was in your shoes, um, and, uh, Had your following and your background. I think you're approaching it in a way that's a very fair.

[01:53:59] Travis Bader: You you're coming up with your ideas and your, um, uh, based on things that you see, hear, touch, feel, believe, and you're not trying to sell anything to anybody. Um, that doesn't mean you can't be used and that doesn't mean your plat platform can't be, uh, but to shut yourself off completely, to completely protect yourself would be to shut that door.

[01:54:19] Travis Bader: And I don't think that's a viable option. So that, that would be, that would be my perspective. 

[01:54:25] Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I agree with that. I'll go with that. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's just, um, you know, people's people's own perspective is just such a tough thing to navigate in a society that thrives off of semantics. 

[01:54:46] Travis Bader: And, 

[01:54:48] Chris Ramsay: um, it is, it is tough being put in a position where you have, whether you like it or not, uh, a modicum of influence.

[01:54:59] Chris Ramsay: You know, especially when it comes to things so deep to people's belief that are, that are literally tied to people's reason for being here, you know, you got to be very careful with all that stuff and make it, I think, very clear to people that, you know, for me, this is my journey, that's it, that's all it is, that's, it's nothing more, and it is a literal, uh, selfish, creative expression.

[01:55:26] Chris Ramsay: that I have, um, that, that, that, that's it. That's all there is. It's entertainment for me. Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not here to say, Oh, like, of course I want answers, but again, they're for me. And, um, that being said, I don't think. I think it's wise not to exclude entertainment as a viable mean, means of, uh, being insightful or enlightening.

[01:55:56] Chris Ramsay: Mm hmm. Uh, you know, we have great people like George Carlin, you know, who've taught me, uh, the, um, importance of Question the government. Yeah. We'll question Yeah. Well, I mean, George Orwell made me question the government. Yeah. George Carlin made me, uh, question societal norms. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Um, and then, you know, George, the three Georges and George Lucas made me, you know, uh, think of other intelligent life in the universe and wonder about that.

[01:56:24] Chris Ramsay: And those are all three different forms of entertainment. And I think entertainment brings an immense value to, uh, people in times of uncertainty. It allows us to broaden our perspectives through imagination. Uh, it might not get you to change your mind on something, but it can plant a seed that might end up, you know, growing into something wonderful, you know, within your, within your own life and, and your own perspectives.

[01:56:53] Chris Ramsay: And so that's all I want my content and my message to be is it's entertainment. It's for my own selfish gain of, of, you know, personal, uh, creative expression. Um, uh, if it pays the bills, it pays the bills. Um, but yeah, by no means do I take responsibility, uh, or want responsibility for, you know, actively changing someone's current paradigm.

[01:57:21] Chris Ramsay: Um, 

[01:57:21] Travis Bader: yeah. Very well said, Chris. Um, is there anything that we haven't talked about that we should be talking about? 

[01:57:30] Chris Ramsay: Hmm. Good question. Uh, we covered quite a bit. I, I would give another shout out to telepathy tapes. I think it's a very interesting, I'm, I'm halfway through it. Um, but it's very interesting. I think your, your viewers will get a kick out of it too.

[01:57:43] Chris Ramsay: It's a cool podcast that you should listen to it. And maybe something we can talk about in the future, but it's something I'm heavily interested in right now. And, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's, I think going to be. Um, brought up quite a bit as time goes on. So look out for that. 

[01:58:01] Travis Bader: Okay. I, uh, I will commit to, uh, exploring that and, uh, listening to it.

[01:58:06] Travis Bader: Awesome. That's, uh, I'll do that. 

[01:58:08] Chris Ramsay: Don't chat GPT. 

[01:58:09] Travis Bader: Uh, you figured me out already. Chris, thank you so much for being on the Silvercore podcast. I really enjoyed this conversation. 

[01:58:17] Chris Ramsay: Dude. Thank you so much for having me, for being so open, so welcoming, allowing me to rant. Uh, you've been such a grace, uh, gracious host, great questions.

[01:58:28] Chris Ramsay: Um, I can, I can tell you sincerely care about your guests, your audience. And so, you know, that resonates with me on a very deep level. So I appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing and I am thankful for being on your podcast and thank you to your audience for, uh, for giving me a voice as well. 

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